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Old 06-25-2013, 12:47 AM
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Yeah, Shes running smoother & strong.

Idle today was ok as its was slow yesterday (as a result of secured the icv vac line from top wur} so I hope ivc vac line did not loosen} Took a magnifying glass to the icv vac line connection & it has a crack on the edge.

I'm going to need those 2 rubber hose connections at the ICV & a new valve cover to icv hose.

Today hopefully caught a vac leak at a cracked rubber union on the EGR valve.

Tried to set the Fuel ration with the 3mm
pushed down & turned clockwise & it took a good turn maybe half a revolution.
I went very slow til it just started to slow but not stall as I was scared then turned it up a slight til it went strong.

Its running very smooth more smooth than it was but econoimy guage is still 1/4 up warm in park.

Anyway it was a good day in the right direction.

Can someone describe the fuel ratio sound?

I was turning it clockwise & it seemed to be running stronger so I was confused but kept going to it just went down 7 sounded a bit off then dialed it up slight til it was strong???

Did I do it right?



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Old 06-25-2013, 01:40 AM
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thats the way I did

and it was right on. If it seems good leave it alone. Once you get all the vacuum hoses taken care of then you could try the smog retest and see how you did. It should be only $25 or so.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:58 AM
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Usually the smog place will charge you half rate if you only want to do the pre-test. Maybe they will let you play with that allen screw while its hooked up to the machine. Not likely at the smog place but worth a try. Someone will though just call around and ask.
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:23 AM
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Usually the smog place will charge you half rate if you only want to do the pre-test. Maybe they will let you play with that allen screw while its hooked up to the machine. Not likely at the smog place but worth a try. Someone will though just call around and ask.
I paid $40 for the smog & will get a free retest wi 30 days.

Trouble is this guy was an idiot. Maybe he even tried to tighten the EGR rubber & made it crack worse.

He was taken a LONG time.

Tempted just to go to one of my known trusted smog guys.
Darn this was a last minute referral nightmare.

Guess I could ask if they have a exhaust analizer.

I'm waiting for approval for a BAr aplication to get some smog work reimbursement.

I'm hoping it was that cracked egr rubber connectiion.

I need those 3 icv hosees once I match them up.

Wonder why my economy is not good?

I guess next stop is to go to a smog repair & see what the numbers are.

Is a allen a 6 side hex?

Glad its running good as the last time I took it out it was noticably more off.

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Old 06-26-2013, 05:24 PM
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Being a euro makes it a little more difficult. Many mechanics just dont know what to do. It is meant to be tuned without the cat.
There should be a adjuster on the fuel distributor. These are set at the factory so they should not need adjustment. I did adjust mine to ear at first myself. Then I used a old smog machine to dial the AF ratio.
You could find a smog place that does repairs as well an ask them to make adjustments. You will have to tell them what to do based on what we say here.
Enrique probably doesn't want to set the AF ratio because he does not have a exhaust analyzer. A low end smog/ repair shop will do as much for much less.
There is an small allen on top of the fuel dist. 3mm. While at idle Push it in and turn very slightly clockwise until it begins to stall. Then slowly go back until it smooths back out.
You can do this at home without the exhaust analyzer. It wont be exact though. I think if you get your idle figured out you can get it tuned enough to pass. I just looked over your 2013 test and you were only failing the 15 mph test by not much. The 25 mph test was a fail but very close. Only nox was high. That leads me to think its the CAT. My car had similar readings before I replaced it.
I would find a smog place that does repairs too. It has to be a non "smog only" station. I would tell them how to adjust the fuel mix . and ask them to check the Cat. They will use their analyzer to dial you in. It should not take more than a half hour to an hour. The trouble would be finding someone wiling to touch it.
Too bad your not up north. I could hook you up to my analyzer.
Dont loose hope thats a nice Euro. It is worth getting it running. It probably has aftermarket Cats already. New ones from an exhaust shop will run 300$ or so each.
Are you sure its clockwise to stall?
I did turn it clockwise but it almost seemed like it was getting stronger.

Can you please verify?
I'll have to try it again as I wasnt to be sure.

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In my experience the fuel mixture on CIS fuel injected engines can be set way too rich and the car will still run OK but gas mileage will be awful and the car won't pass emission tests. This makes it difficult/impossible to adjust the mixture without an exhaust gas analyzer if the emission test is strict. With that in mind, if you must adjust it yourself, the engine must be fully warm including the engine oil. With the car idling in park press down on the adjustment tower with the 3mm adjustment tool until it engages screw in the air plate and then press down slightly to deflect the air plate minimally and note if the engine speeds up or slows down. If it slows down, the mixture is too rich and if it speeds up significantly and smooths out the mixture is too lean. Ideally, you will adjust from the lean side towards the rich side to get to the correct mixture. You will get to about as good as you can by ear when the engine idles fairly smoothly (no misfire), a slight push on the air plate screw will cause a slight increase in idle rate (about 50 rpm), your exhaust does not smell of catalyst odor and there is no pop back in the exhaust which would indicate a misfire. Mark
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:30 PM
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In my experience the fuel mixture on CIS fuel injected engines can be set way too rich and the car will still run OK but gas mileage will be awful and the car won't pass emission tests. This makes it difficult/impossible to adjust the mixture without an exhaust gas analyzer if the emission test is strict. With that in mind, if you must adjust it yourself, the engine must be fully warm including the engine oil. With the car idling in park press down on the adjustment tower with the 3mm adjustment tool until it engages screw in the air plate and then press down slightly to deflect the air plate minimally and note if the engine speeds up or slows down. If it slows down, the mixture is too rich and if it speeds up significantly and smooths out the mixture is too lean. Ideally, you will adjust from the lean side towards the rich side to get to the correct mixture. You will get to about as good as you can by ear when the engine idles fairly smoothly (no misfire), a slight push on the air plate screw will cause a slight increase in idle rate (about 50 rpm), your exhaust does not smell of catalyst odor and there is no pop back in the exhaust which would indicate a misfire. Mark
Mileage wasn't that bad 13.5 mpg mostly city. I still don't know which way to turn increases or decreases.

I likely have air leaks. Found a cracked egr rubber. I guess I should try to get it tightened up but I can't get access to some lines mainly the 2 throttle body.

This has been going on since 2007.

My mechanic seems tonthink its running the best it can.
The stink burns my eyes & I'm coughing from a few days under the hood.

I'm frustrated as now I have a incomplete regis. I have a DMV road test 7/9 with likely100 deg temps & I'll have to fall back on the trusty Volvo with No AC.

I'm just trying to get it close & useable until I get ok for the repairs/ adjustment

I was feeeling pops under car from exhaust system.
Luckily right now it seems to be better



'lll try again but I think it slowed down. It was set by a smog place on 09 & passed 2011. so guess it should have been not so off.

I was turning clockwise as suggested to try to get it to slow but it never really slowed.

I just need to know I am understanding correctly.
What screws into the airplate?

Maybe I should turn it back?

Maybe I wasn't depressing hard enough & it wasn't turning?

Maybe I shouldn't be playing with it? I'm not sure how to turn it
I just want to make her better

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Clockwise is richer, counterclockwise is leaner. First you have to find and fix your vacuum leaks or you are wasting your time. Unless you can hear a vacuum leak from the hoses buried at the throttle body don't worry about them for now. The large idle air hoses looked suspect in your pictures and the injector seals and supplementary air hoses that connect to the fuel injector holders also tend to get hard and cracked. Diagnose and repair the leaks and report back.
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Old 06-27-2013, 12:13 AM
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Clockwise is richer, counterclockwise is leaner. First you have to find and fix your vacuum leaks or you are wasting your time. Unless you can hear a vacuum leak from the hoses buried at the throttle body don't worry about them for now. The large idle air hoses looked suspect in your pictures and the injector seals and supplementary air hoses that connect to the fuel injector holders also tend to get hard and cracked. Diagnose and repair the leaks and report back.

Want to replace or get replaced the 3 large rubber hoses arounf the icv.
The valve cover to icv just lifts up/
I thought there was a metal collar that was holding it that I moved to free it. I'll have to install it correctly.
Guess everything helps

So I went the clockwise the wrong way on the 3mm
CW seem to be getting stronger

Gosh easy to get lost but true I need to try to get those old rubber parts changed
Seems to me the vac lines are pretty durable & I tried to change every rubber to them that I could get to.

I have a set of new fuel injectors to be changed out when necessary.

I hope I didn't mess up the fuel ratio as it seems its a last chance adjustment

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Old 06-28-2013, 07:57 PM
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repair stations

Got my approval for $500 repairs today but have to act fast.

I have to go to state approved repair.

Made some calls / research

There is a Pep Boys in Van Nuys.
I'm afraid there techs will not be fa,milar with a 83 Euro
but if they have an engine exhausr analizer would it be good enough?
I'm afraid Pep Boys may not want to deal with my many documents & my
modified ICV valve.

Pep Boys says they don't test cats. They also said to go to a approved Mercedes shop....
My guy suggests getting a smog waiver but if I have $500 to gift my car I think I should try to get it fixed..


There are others

This one seems to be my first choice as the guy said he'd see if he could do it or refer me. Nice not to have that arrogant I can do everything...

Kar Tek Auto repair mechanics in North Hollywood, CA

Then I have a Studio 76 that had some really good reviews.
I called him & he sounded like he was asllep. Took him a few minutes to figure it out. Then he says he can do it...In his defense most reapir shops are out in the 100 Deg temps\
the poor guys brain was probably fried.




& I guess I should start interviewing to see whom may be a real auto geek???

Now were in the 100 temps so thats a real bumber.

Also if they say its a cat I want a good cat,
Should I ask what kind of cats they use & prices?

I guess I'll go to Kar Tech as they say free estimate.

Any one ever have any info on Kar Tech? Seems they are a family chain..

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If you can't find anyone closer, I'll give a shameless plug to Sporthaus Motorcars in Reno. They have an exhaust analyzer and know how to use it. They specialize more in older Porsche and Jaguar along with newer Audi, but handle emission issues on older German cars all the time. The owner John is quite knowledgeable about old Bosch fuel injection.

In the interest of full disclosure, I used to work there.
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If you can't find anyone closer, I'll give a shameless plug to Sporthaus Motorcars in Reno. They have an exhaust analyzer and know how to use it. They specialize more in older Porsche and Jaguar along with newer Audi, but handle emission issues on older German cars all the time. The owner John is quite knowledgeable about old Bosch fuel injection.

In the interest of full disclosure, I used to work there.
Thats Great but I'm really needing to stay local.
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if you must adjust it yourself, the engine must be fully warm including the engine oil. With the car idling in park press down on the adjustment tower with the 3mm adjustment tool until it engages screw in the air plate and then press down slightly to deflect the air plate minimally and note if the engine speeds up or slows down. If it slows down, the mixture is too rich and if it speeds up significantly and smooths out the mixture is too lean. Ideally, you will adjust from the lean side towards the rich side to get to the correct mixture. You will get to about as good as you can by ear when the engine idles fairly smoothly (no misfire), a slight push on the air plate screw will cause a slight increase in idle rate (about 50 rpm), your exhaust does not smell of catalyst odor and there is no pop back in the exhaust which would indicate a misfire. Mark
This makes alot of sense but I'm not even sure where I am right now.
Took it for a test drive to get it out, see how it runs & try to get perspective.

Was 100 outside today so it was taxed & I ran the AC.
Engine temp was 90 to 100 C. Not at all bad for the day.
Idle in drive w Ac about 600.
Ran good & ran smooth upon hot restart.

When I got home I tried the allen wrench in the f/r tower.
How slight is slight to push downI pushed down until it slow a bit & ran a bit lumpy.Maybe I pushed to much?

Does this mean its too rich? I just don't know how far is necessary to push
& I did try to turn it a slight counterclockwise to try a slight lean.

Would vac leaks make it run rich or lean? I waould assume rich as it was getting more air?

As stated I don't want to do too much til I take care of some old rubber parts.

Am I in the right direction?

I am very happy at least that the engine did not get too hot as it did when I first got it.

AC is still ice cold

Yeah!

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Vacuum leaks

make it leaner. More air equals less fuel in your mixture. A rich or too lean mix will cause poor economy. If you have vacuum leaks they must be addressed before anything.
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Cat test.

Catalytic Converter Test Quick and Dirty with $40 Tool - YouTube
This is a basic video I just saw. If a smog shop cant tell if your convertor is good, move on.
I would bring it to someone who is good with mercedes or european cars. Pep boys or any other chain I would avoid.

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