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liquiddog 08-01-2013 11:00 PM

I'm in it now. Have the SG Motorsports spring compressor on the way and Lemfoerder arms. Next month I'm going to finish everything up. Struts/mounts/springs, steering damper, etc. Already did the tie rods.

It does wander at over 50 mph. There is a squeaking from the right front when turning the wheel even when stopped. I only drive it to work for now, but would like to expand my range.

Walkenvol 08-02-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by liquiddog (Post 3185773)
It does wander at over 50 mph.

Look for a worn / loose steering componet. Pull the care over a ditch or similiar such that you can lay underneath and see what's happening. Have a buddy sit in the car (motor off) and turn the steering wheel back and forth slowly. With a light, start where the steering shaft mounts to the steering box (I believe there is a rag joint that can wear there) and inspect all the joints along with looking for play in the steering box. Replace what's worn and get an allignment.

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Originally Posted by liquiddog (Post 3185773)
I'm There is a squeaking from the right front when turning the wheel even when stopped.

ball joint

liquiddog 08-02-2013 10:12 AM

I know for certain the front springs and struts are shot. The front end sits so low I can't go over a speed bump without scraping the under carriage. The struts have been replaced at some point with what looks like the cheapest possible ones. Strut mounts are original. I'm going with Mercedes springs and comfort struts.

Do the Lemfoerder arms come with new bolts?

JamesDean 08-02-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by liquiddog (Post 3185943)
I know for certain the front springs and struts are shot. The front end sits so low I can't go over a speed bump without scraping the under carriage. The struts have been replaced at some point with what looks like the cheapest possible ones. Strut mounts are original. I'm going with Mercedes springs and comfort struts.

Do the Lemfoerder arms come with new bolts?

The general recommendation on here is to go with Bilstein HD's. But I've wanted to try the Bilstein comforts for a while now..

I found that replacing my front springs on the 300D resulted in nearly 2 inches of increase in front ride height. The springs were "Lesjofors" brand, which I think is the same people that supply Mercedes? I've only ever seen them offered on reputable parts sites. They're usually 40-50% less than ordering from the dealer.

liquiddog 08-02-2013 01:50 PM

I've read a thread about somebody trying to put Lesjofers on a 2.6. He said it still sagged and some oem springs from a junkyard fixed it. I looked further into it, and Lesjofers uses the same part number for the 4 cylinder and 2.6. That can't be correct.

JamesDean 08-02-2013 01:57 PM

From my experience the Lesjofors are usually a hair stiffer than the originals.

Its possible he was sent the wrong part number springs (I was once, box said the right number, spring did not). Or he might have used the wrong spring pads with that particular spring. Been there, done that too.

There were only two spring part numbers used on the 201 chassis:
201 321 22 04
201 321 23 04

To determine which needs to be put on your car you must add up the points. Seems there is a lot of confusion on the spring point system. Some threads people ignore it, some threads people only think the numbers apply to the pads and not the springs themselves... but its both spring and pads!

See the image.

http://i.imgur.com/y1SCUVWl.png

Your average 2.3 was equipped with, by my count, 41 points of stuff, which put you right at the top level spring that the 2.6 gets by default. Hence the same part number from Lesjofors

Zulfiqar 08-02-2013 02:47 PM

sloppy ball joints which have up/down play also cause the car to sag on 201/124. Worn struts make it worse.

liquiddog 08-10-2013 01:01 PM

Tomorrow is the day. Cleaning/organizing the garage today. I'm using this article for guidance:

Pelican Mercedes-Benz Tech Article - A Simple Guide to Replacing Your Front Wishbone on your Mercedes Benz - 190E, W124, W126, W201, W123

Would it be reasonable to back the car out of the garage and drive it up on ramps before torquing everything down? Not sure I'll have the clearance to get under there with the wheels on the ground.

liquiddog 08-11-2013 10:05 PM

Job done. Start time 8:30am. Finished for test drive at 8:30pm. That included numerous cool down breaks. It got up to 102F today.

Some notes.

The nut on the left steering knuckle was frozen. Tried PB Blaster. Tried a torch. Ended up grinding it off.

The same nuts were impossible to get a torque wrench on with the wheels on the ground. It is a clearance issue with brake parts. Did my best with a 3/8 ratchet and box wrench on the other side. I doubt it's 92 Ft lbs though.

The car is sitting much higher. The steering is way better. No squeaking. It drives on rails now. The owner is a little smashed up and greasy though. :)

lsmalley 08-12-2013 02:58 AM

Post up a picture

liquiddog 08-12-2013 08:21 AM

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Pics aren't the best, but the front fender was much lower. It was almost touching the tire.

Both ball joint were completely rusted and dry. They both had up and down motion. The boots fell apart when I pulled on them.

Edit: wanted to add one piece of info. I used brake cleaner and a battery brush to clean out the steering knuckle. It worked pretty well.

Zulfiqar 08-12-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by liquiddog (Post 3190773)
Job done. Start time 8:30am. Finished for test drive at 8:30pm. That included numerous cool down breaks. It got up to 102F today.

Some notes.

The nut on the left steering knuckle was frozen. Tried PB Blaster. Tried a torch. Ended up grinding it off.

The same nuts were impossible to get a torque wrench on with the wheels on the ground. It is a clearance issue with brake parts. Did my best with a 3/8 ratchet and box wrench on the other side. I doubt it's 92 Ft lbs though.

The car is sitting much higher. The steering is way better. No squeaking. It drives on rails now. The owner is a little smashed up and greasy though. :)

that pinch bolt made me real angry so I used my 3 ft long 1/2 inch drive breaker bar with added cheater pipe, worked it back and forth slightly till it squeaked, sprayed some aerokroil (love it) and worked it some more. after 10 minutes, I gave it a viking type grunt - complete with guffaw and it unscrewed itself.

Good thing is that the new bolts are coated to prevent corossion.

lsmalley 08-12-2013 01:04 PM

I forgot to mention, usually when I do a major job like that I tend to make sure I use anti-seize on most of the bolts so the job is easier the next time around. And with electrical components I coat the connections with a nice coat of dielectric grease and also wrap the wires in electrical tape. Just precautionary measures......anti-seize will definitely come in handy when its time to replace the egr and exhaust manifold gasket.

liquiddog 08-14-2013 09:31 PM

I'm doing the engine/transmission mounts next and will definitely be using anti-seize compound on those.

On another note, I put a floor jack under my breaker bar to turn that nut. All it did was bend the bar! That's when I got out the angle grinder. :)

It just dawned on me that a crowfoot wrench set would allow me to torque the pinch bolts to spec. There is also one of the eccentric bolts on the right side that is impossible to get to with a socket due to clearance with the exhaust pipes. I have a cheap set on the way I got for under $20. I'm going to torque everything while I have it up on the ramps to do the mounts.


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