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Old 06-02-2015, 01:00 PM
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Haven't had to have my attorney contact them yet. I simply mention its my next step if they don't take care of the problem. Awaiting a phone call regarding said issue.

Its purely incompetence. They want to fix it I'm sure. But it has upper end noise going on, and they put a short block in.

I guess thats my real question. Do I have a case? But as I wait, I assume they might be trying to fix it. Probably gonna call once it works.

I think they know I will contact Nissan, which looks bad on their part. Or at least I hope they are capable of that reasoning.

Do those others dealers make more than 30%? My understanding was yes, so the better guys go there. The technician on my car is a toothless wonder.

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Old 06-02-2015, 02:07 PM
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Send a certified letter of any questions, comments, etc. And keep a copy of the letter. Or send an email.....nothing like having hard evidence of a paper trail in the court of law.I'm sure Nissan's pockets might be a bit deeper than yours and so you need to start acting as though you will be facing a possible lawsuit for breach of contract or a counter suit from them.

What could they sue me for exactly? Other than keeping their rental?

I hate this stuff. I think I will wait a few days. Then call Nissan direct. Then hand it off to my attorney.

Edit: last thought. Why would they just be ignoring this? Ive narrowed it down to:

They think i may be irrational and just forget and take my car back in a few days. Or they think I will end up wanting the sentra. Or trade mine in for one. Maybe I should ask about trading mine in. Pin them on saying my car is fine. If its so great, throw it on your used lot. No problem.

Maybe I'm looking for rationality where it doesn't exist. Do bat **** crazy people make it as far as running a dealership? Probably so...

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Old 06-02-2015, 03:21 PM
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the video you posted sounds like a normal sentra engine, the ticking you hear is the injectors clicking and also the lifters - I own a 2013 altima 2.5 - brand new off the lot car had this sound.

I also have a 134000 mile camry - very similar engine sound, I think it is loud because of the insanely thin castings these manufacturers are using while building engines, They resonate pretty bad.

The loud noise, cylinder misfire and eventual rod failure maybe related to the cat converter ceramic breaking up and being sucked back - which damages the cylinder walls and sometimes leads to complete engine failure, sometimes as soon as 4000 miles. Nissan built the EGR design into the cam variator pulleys which causes a negative pull from the exhaust into the cylinders - the same function an EGR valve does, except this time they saved all costs of EGR valves.

These engines also have had some oddball timing variator failures which causes them to rattle at startup and at mid range rpm. A stalled variator causes misfire codes.

In any case - your car is still under factory powertrain warranty, get them to fix it till its at "control specification" of Nissan itself.
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Old 06-02-2015, 03:37 PM
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Is it direct injected? If it is, that is the injector pump or injectors you're hearing. You should hear my saturn, damn thing sounds like a bucket of bolts. Brand new bmws I've driven sounded like a farm tractor. Either way I wouldn't threaten anything or act paranoid. Ask them what they are doing with your car and an expected completion date. It is all at no cost to you so who cares? Raising a huff makes it a thousand times worse and threatening an attorney even worse than that.


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Old 06-02-2015, 04:13 PM
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If it wasn't for the light I would probably just call it a pos and drive it. But when that clicking starts, the idle becomes erratic, and slight power loss. I think you are onto something with the vvt. Both cars seem to be acting up. And yes its direct injection.

What is "stalled variator?" I completely understand how the cam phasing works. I had a theory that the pin in the device on the cam wasn't locking in. I should ask them to check the timing. Could you expand on this concept further?

As well, one solenoid (i mix the names up but the part that controls oil flow did throw a code and was replaced.

I should also say, text communication is hard and often messages are misunderstood. I grew up with my service writer, his brother is married to my cousins sister in laws niece, type of deal.

So the conversation is more like "dude what are we gonna do, if nissan can't fix it I'm gonna have to get lawyers involved."

Its more like two generals dealing with policy and decisions made by those above.

More of a reference to where it could head to. And stating I am not accepting their policy. And he can say "the customer is not cooperating and has mentioned seeking legal council"

But it is the truth. It may go that route. Although i may take them to court myself and avoid the cost.

See they arent fixing it. Said they cant or dont know what it is. There is no "completion of work date." That has passed. On saturday they said to come get it. I said let me talk to the manager. And now no one is calling or answering my calls.

Its fricking weird.
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Old 06-02-2015, 04:20 PM
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Is it direct injected? If it is, that is the injector pump or injectors you're hearing. You should hear my saturn, damn thing sounds like a bucket of bolts. Brand new bmws I've driven sounded like a farm tractor. Either way I wouldn't threaten anything or act paranoid. Ask them what they are doing with your car and an expected completion date. It is all at no cost to you so who cares? Raising a huff makes it a thousand times worse and threatening an attorney even worse than that.


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Just so we are clear. There is no expected completion date. Work was completed with saying they couldn't figure it out. They said come get it. I asked for a manager as I dont want it to go down that road. And they aren't communicating. Don't want their rental. Etc.

I need this resolved and passed. Our current solution would be keeping their rental until my warranty is up. Then i will have to fix it.

Hence why we need to stop avoiding the problem and deal with it now. Or buy the car back.

And hard ball is necessary at this point. I hate it too. But its the only way they wont try to push me around. Its a sad cold truth.

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Old 06-02-2015, 05:15 PM
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But do i have a chance/case for getting out of this thing? With nissan direct?
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:14 PM
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Not sure if you are interested in this or not but you could also get the car back and try to offload it to carmax. They buy used cars as if it's a trade without requiring you to buy a car from them.
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Old 06-02-2015, 10:12 PM
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Thats worth a try.

It just kind of worked out where once i had an extra set of wheels i had time for the benz. And it turned out better than i thought.

Talked to the manager this afternoon. He spoke to nissan about the misfire and they said nothing to do.

I brought up the noise. The scorched cylinder. The short block. How this is all connected.

He apologized and said that wasn't on his paperwork...

He really was sincere. I didnt cut them any slack. Didnt threaten anything. He said he will look through it. I asked him to just listen. And then go over to the used lot and listen to the others.

We shall see tomorrow. If they call.

Such an adventure.

I think i have a sour taste in my mouth, that may come clean if I get it back sounding better.

And it would be nice to be able to go through the body on my benz. But i could just pick up a cheap car to get by.
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here is a small example of a variator than can stick/stall in certain positions - that worn area should be smooth like the rest of the steel plate.


As there is no spring pressure in the unit it solely relies on oil to advance and retard the unit it cannot be expected to snap back - This design is not like honda vtec to amp up the cam lift etc but more to the effect of reducing pumping losses at mid rpm

When this stalls/sticks you will get some real oddball misfires as there would be an awful lot of backwash into the intake manifold from the cylinders

I need to dig into the wiring/schema of Nissan to see how the ECU is determining the requierd cam phasing is achieved, I know it for toyota - their ECU rely on the cam/tdc sensor difference to determine a problem, if it sees an off TDC situation at idle - it pops the TDC code, which almost always is a stuck variator.
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Old 06-03-2015, 10:16 AM
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Just so we are clear. There is no expected completion date. Work was completed with saying they couldn't figure it out. They said come get it. I asked for a manager as I dont want it to go down that road. And they aren't communicating. Don't want their rental. Etc.

I need this resolved and passed. Our current solution would be keeping their rental until my warranty is up. Then i will have to fix it.

Hence why we need to stop avoiding the problem and deal with it now. Or buy the car back.

And hard ball is necessary at this point. I hate it too. But its the only way they wont try to push me around. Its a sad cold truth.

Fair enough, have to trust your judgment on the situation since I am just Monday morning quarterbacking.


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Old 06-03-2015, 12:10 PM
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^lol sorry. Im a little fired up about the situation.

^^thanks so much. It did throw a misfire code but didn't throw a tdc code.

However, 2nd trip to dealer was a solenoid code, which was replaced. The problem was before this though. But there are possibly two problems, as #4 injector is definitely bad.

I think I'm gonna fire the benz up and go down there. We keep talking on the phone and its hard to communicate.

If the car is having problems with the variator, wouldn't the timing be jumping around irregularly?
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:12 PM
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This is beginning to be like my first initial thread on this forum when I blew my benz motor. "Help help what do i do!?"

One thing I'm thinking about. It burnt a rod and they put the same head back on. Would anyone ever do that? Is there a good chance other parts are damaged from the metal flowing around in the oil? It had a good rod knock.

I think I'm gonna call nissan and see how they respond to buying it back.

If that doesnt go well, contact a lawyer and see if they say I have a chance. And what their costs will be.

I dont want it. Lol.
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Old 06-03-2015, 06:28 PM
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Yes. My used car qualifies for lemon law in communist California. Im gonna wait and see if they fix it. And if no, don't buy a light grey versa S model from nissan santa barbara.

www.lemon-law-advisor.com/lemon-laws-for-used-cars.html
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This is beginning to be like my first initial thread on this forum when I blew my benz motor. "Help help what do i do!?"

One thing I'm thinking about. It burnt a rod and they put the same head back on. Would anyone ever do that? Is there a good chance other parts are damaged from the metal flowing around in the oil? It had a good rod knock.

I think I'm gonna call nissan and see how they respond to buying it back.

If that doesnt go well, contact a lawyer and see if they say I have a chance. And what their costs will be.

I dont want it. Lol.
If your engine chewed a rod babbit and they slapped the old head back on without properly prepping it then there is a chance that some debris has found a new home.

In properly prepping the head is torn down to bits and pressure washed inside out.

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