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Brake rotor removal question; should I use a heat gun?
Still on the 1991 560SEL, the bolt attaching the brake rotor to the hub seems to be on tight. I used PB Blaster to loosen it up. I'm afraid if I torque on it too hard it may strip. On another website, a guy uses a brass hammer to strike on the edge of the rotors to help break the rotor loose. However, he first loosens the bolt holding the rotor to the hub which is my problem. Can I use a heat gun to help loosen up the attachment bolt?
I really don't want to strip this bolt out.......:eek: |
You can use heat gun. not sure how much good it will do though. No big deal if you strip it, just drill head off and then knock rotor off (if you are replacing rotors).
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Using eye protection! Take a punch and strike the center of the bolt inside the six sided hole, not on the face of the bolt, rather hard several times. Then take a pointed punch on the face of the bolt outside of the six sided hole on the flat part in the direction that you want the bolt to turn. If you can, have a helper wearing EYE PROTECTION apply moderate torque using the bit in the six sided hole while you strike it around in the loosening direction. It will come out.
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After a few minutes of PB Blaster, the bolt came right out! Great, however, the rotor seems to be stuck on the hub. I took the parking brakes off and proceeded to place a small 2X4 on the hub and struck the hub in various places with a sledge hammer. The hub still doesn't want to come off! What to do????
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Are you working on the rears? You have not said so. Are you replacing the rotors? Do you have new ones? If you have new rotors, place a block of wood thru the caliper opening on the inside face of the rotor. Hit the wood with a hammer to knock the rotor to the outside. Turn the rotor a few degrees, hit again. Turn, hit, turn, hit. |
Put PB Blaster around the hub flange...wait a few minutes and do what Frank R said.
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Yes, I am working on the rear rotors. I have new Brembo rotors to install so I will try your instructions and report back.
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Question, on the new Brembo rotor, should I use brake cleaner to remove the factory coating? Another guy said to use water with some dish detergent to remove the factory coating. Someone else said leave it alone..... |
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It depends on what type of coating is on the rotors. The rotors we used to get had some sort of light oil coating that needed to be washed off. But, some rotors these days have a rust preventing zinc coating. The ones I last installed said to leave it on.
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If it is zinc, this link has some good info. If plain steel with oily surface coating, Frank's advice is good. |
The Brembo package says to use brake cleaner to clean the rotor prior to installation. Question, should I use Permatex Threadlocker Blue on the caliper bolts? Also, the Brembo box says to clean the hub of any rust then install the rotor and check the runout using a dial caliper. I have this type of dial caliper, can I use it to check run out?
https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/SER3754/SER3754 |
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OK, I lightly coated the rotor hub with white lithium grease inside and out being careful not to get it on the braking surface. I also used Mercedes Benz brake pad grease on the sides of the pads, the back of the pads and the holes in the pads where the pins install. I then coated the pins with mercedes benz brake pad grease. I'm having trouble reinstalling the brake pad anti-rattle spring. Any ideas on how to reinstall it properly?
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Install both pads, and one of the pins. Then slide first end of spring under the pin. The 2 short ends of the spring rest on top of the low part of the pads so that the top of the spring is flush with the edge of caliper. Next, press down on the other end of the spring and slide the other pin through the caliper hole and brake pad hole and over the other end of the pin.
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HuskyMan, the gray primer on the rotors should be left as-is. Braking will remove the primer from the brake pad contact surface only, and the other surfaces will not rust.
When hammering on rotors to loosen them, it's best to install one lug bolt a few turns to prevent the rotor from flying off. |
Use blue thread locking compound on the caliper bolts.
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You need a dial indicator to check run-out. Not a dial caliper ;) Lot's of links on net on how to use and you can buy a cheap and adequate one at HF. You also need the magnetic base that they sell separately. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbWB2CNqio |
If you buy high quality rotors you shouldn't need to check the run out with a dial indicator. Out of the box they should be true and straight. If they are not, return them immediately and buy genuine MB rotors.
Typically you get what you pay for. You cannot purchase a MB vehicle for the cost of a VW. |
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Shops don't often check runout, but it is so cheap and easy to do, why not! |
How do I remove front disc retainer springs?
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I've removed the top and bottom pins, how do I remove the retainer spring itself? I noticed a small bolt that appears to be holding the horizontal middle section of the spring on the left side of the caliper (see photo).
Also, you can see the bolt on the left at 1:30 on this video. Do I need to loosen that bolt? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbJX1MLrWY |
With the 2 pins punched out the spring clip has to come out by itself, might just need a light tap due to the rust.
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Manually spread the top end of the calipers or pry up on the spring. It's loose already.
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OK, the retainer spring came out (yeah!!!). I then loosened the nut on the metal brake line and placed a golf tea in the end of the metal brake line to prevent leakage. The calipers appear to be pressed against the brake pads making removal of the brake pads difficult. Any ideas??
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It is stuck between the pads, because the pads are completely worn out, and the tops of the backing plates have been forced against the retainer spring by the pistons, which are stuck in the caliper bores, preventing their retraction. Get a prying tool under the spring, use excessive force, and pop it out. |
I'm thinking if I remove the caliper from the rotor I could more easily remove the brake pads......is this idea feasable? Again, the calipers appear to be pressing against the brake pads making their removal difficult. I have tried wedging a pry bar between the brake pad and the caliper to press the caliper back into its bore but am unable to get it wedged in.
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And it is the pistons that are against the pads. |
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I'm using a 1/2" drive 19mm socket and a long breaker bar on the bolts holding the brake caliper. I've sprayed PB Blaster on the bolts holding the caliper. The bolts won't budge!
So...I've sprayed them again with PB Blaster and am going to let them sit for 15 minutes or so. I sure hope I don't need an impact wrench for these 19mm bolts!!! I also saw a youtube video where the guy uses an oxygen acetylene torch to loosen stuck bolts. |
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