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HuskyMan 08-27-2016 03:55 PM

Brake rotor removal question; should I use a heat gun?
 
Still on the 1991 560SEL, the bolt attaching the brake rotor to the hub seems to be on tight. I used PB Blaster to loosen it up. I'm afraid if I torque on it too hard it may strip. On another website, a guy uses a brass hammer to strike on the edge of the rotors to help break the rotor loose. However, he first loosens the bolt holding the rotor to the hub which is my problem. Can I use a heat gun to help loosen up the attachment bolt?

I really don't want to strip this bolt out.......:eek:

engatwork 08-27-2016 04:45 PM

You can use heat gun. not sure how much good it will do though. No big deal if you strip it, just drill head off and then knock rotor off (if you are replacing rotors).

Sugar Bear 08-27-2016 04:59 PM

Using eye protection! Take a punch and strike the center of the bolt inside the six sided hole, not on the face of the bolt, rather hard several times. Then take a pointed punch on the face of the bolt outside of the six sided hole on the flat part in the direction that you want the bolt to turn. If you can, have a helper wearing EYE PROTECTION apply moderate torque using the bit in the six sided hole while you strike it around in the loosening direction. It will come out.

Good luck!!!

HuskyMan 08-27-2016 05:12 PM

After a few minutes of PB Blaster, the bolt came right out! Great, however, the rotor seems to be stuck on the hub. I took the parking brakes off and proceeded to place a small 2X4 on the hub and struck the hub in various places with a sledge hammer. The hub still doesn't want to come off! What to do????

Frank Reiner 08-27-2016 05:31 PM

HM:

Are you working on the rears? You have not said so.

Are you replacing the rotors? Do you have new ones?
If you have new rotors, place a block of wood thru the caliper opening on the inside face of the rotor. Hit the wood with a hammer to knock the rotor to the outside. Turn the rotor a few degrees, hit again. Turn, hit, turn, hit.

Sugar Bear 08-27-2016 05:35 PM

Put PB Blaster around the hub flange...wait a few minutes and do what Frank R said.

HuskyMan 08-27-2016 05:36 PM

Yes, I am working on the rear rotors. I have new Brembo rotors to install so I will try your instructions and report back.

HuskyMan 08-27-2016 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Reiner (Post 3631059)
HM:

Are you working on the rears? You have not said so.

Are you replacing the rotors? Do you have new ones?
If you have new rotors, place a block of wood thru the caliper opening on the inside face of the rotor. Hit the wood with a hammer to knock the rotor to the outside. Turn the rotor a few degrees, hit again. Turn, hit, turn, hit.

Your idea worked, after a few hard hits with a sledge hammer against a small piece of 2X4" lumber from the backside, the rotor came free!

Question, on the new Brembo rotor, should I use brake cleaner to remove the factory coating? Another guy said to use water with some dish detergent to remove the factory coating. Someone else said leave it alone.....

Frank Reiner 08-27-2016 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631067)
Your idea worked, after a few hard hits with a sledge hammer against a small piece of 2X4" lumber from the backside, the rotor came free!

Question, on the new Brembo rotor, should I use brake cleaner to remove the factory coating? Another guy said to use water with some dish detergent to remove the factory coating. Someone else said leave it alone.....

First, detergent with fine ScotchBrite, then brake cleaner. Do not use anything that contains oily components.

Graham 08-27-2016 07:17 PM

It depends on what type of coating is on the rotors. The rotors we used to get had some sort of light oil coating that needed to be washed off. But, some rotors these days have a rust preventing zinc coating. The ones I last installed said to leave it on.

Brembo says:
Quote:

As a world leader in the design and production of braking systems for the most important carmakers, Brembo has developed extraordinary expertise in the production of coated discs for all leading vehicle manufacturers. The portfolio comprises all possible variants - from Geomet, zinc and epoxy coating through to the most modern and advanced: UV coating.
Huskyman, you should find out and advise just what type of coating you have.

If it is zinc, this link has some good info. If plain steel with oily surface coating, Frank's advice is good.

HuskyMan 08-27-2016 09:13 PM

The Brembo package says to use brake cleaner to clean the rotor prior to installation. Question, should I use Permatex Threadlocker Blue on the caliper bolts? Also, the Brembo box says to clean the hub of any rust then install the rotor and check the runout using a dial caliper. I have this type of dial caliper, can I use it to check run out?

https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/SER3754/SER3754


lsmalley 08-27-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631100)
The Brembo package says to use brake cleaner to clean the rotor prior to installation. Question, should I use Permatex Threadlocker Blue on the caliper bolts? Also, the Brembo box says to clean the hub of any rust then install the rotor and check the runout using a dial caliper. I have this type of dial caliper, can I use it to check run out?

https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/SER3754/SER3754


Use the brake cleaner on the rotors. Use a wire brush, preferably a wire wheel and drill, on the hub to get the rust off. Then use a light coat of grease on the hub to keep the rust off and to keep the rotor from rusting on the hub in the future. This trick works amazing. I even apply a very thin coat of white lithium grease to the hat of the rotor to keep it from rusting. It works amazing, just dont get any on the part of the rotor where the pads rest.

HuskyMan 08-27-2016 11:49 PM

OK, I lightly coated the rotor hub with white lithium grease inside and out being careful not to get it on the braking surface. I also used Mercedes Benz brake pad grease on the sides of the pads, the back of the pads and the holes in the pads where the pins install. I then coated the pins with mercedes benz brake pad grease. I'm having trouble reinstalling the brake pad anti-rattle spring. Any ideas on how to reinstall it properly?

lsmalley 08-27-2016 11:58 PM

Install both pads, and one of the pins. Then slide first end of spring under the pin. The 2 short ends of the spring rest on top of the low part of the pads so that the top of the spring is flush with the edge of caliper. Next, press down on the other end of the spring and slide the other pin through the caliper hole and brake pad hole and over the other end of the pin.

Ferdman 08-28-2016 06:45 AM

HuskyMan, the gray primer on the rotors should be left as-is. Braking will remove the primer from the brake pad contact surface only, and the other surfaces will not rust.

When hammering on rotors to loosen them, it's best to install one lug bolt a few turns to prevent the rotor from flying off.

Phillytwotank 08-28-2016 08:12 AM

Use blue thread locking compound on the caliper bolts.

Graham 08-28-2016 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631100)
The Brembo package says to use brake cleaner to clean the rotor prior to installation. Question, should I use Permatex Threadlocker Blue on the caliper bolts? Also, the Brembo box says to clean the hub of any rust then install the rotor and check the runout using a dial caliper. I have this type of dial caliper, can I use it to check run out?

https://www.napaonline.com/napa/en/p/SER3754/SER3754


Sounds like you have uncoated rotors - follow Frank's and Brembo's advice to remove the light oil film.

You need a dial indicator to check run-out. Not a dial caliper ;)

Lot's of links on net on how to use and you can buy a cheap and adequate one at HF. You also need the magnetic base that they sell separately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SbWB2CNqio

Ferdman 08-28-2016 11:16 AM

If you buy high quality rotors you shouldn't need to check the run out with a dial indicator. Out of the box they should be true and straight. If they are not, return them immediately and buy genuine MB rotors.

Typically you get what you pay for. You cannot purchase a MB vehicle for the cost of a VW.

lsmalley 08-28-2016 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferdman (Post 3631220)
If you buy high quality rotors you shouldn't need to check the run out with a dial indicator. Out of the box they should be true and straight. If they are not, return them immediately and buy genuine MB rotors.

Typically you get what you pay for. You cannot purchase a MB vehicle for the cost of a VW.

Hopefully the Brembos he has are of good quality.

Graham 08-28-2016 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsmalley (Post 3631235)
Hopefully the Brembos he has are of good quality.

They should be! Besides, run out is not only to do with rotor quality. It is also affected by installation. Cleaning up the hub surfaces, properly torqueing stud bolts, wheel bearings, etc.

Shops don't often check runout, but it is so cheap and easy to do, why not!

HuskyMan 08-28-2016 01:39 PM

How do I remove front disc retainer springs?
 
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I've removed the top and bottom pins, how do I remove the retainer spring itself? I noticed a small bolt that appears to be holding the horizontal middle section of the spring on the left side of the caliper (see photo).

Also, you can see the bolt on the left at 1:30 on this video. Do I need to loosen that bolt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbJX1MLrWY


daantjie 08-28-2016 02:46 PM

With the 2 pins punched out the spring clip has to come out by itself, might just need a light tap due to the rust.

lsmalley 08-28-2016 03:39 PM

Manually spread the top end of the calipers or pry up on the spring. It's loose already.

HuskyMan 08-28-2016 04:15 PM

OK, the retainer spring came out (yeah!!!). I then loosened the nut on the metal brake line and placed a golf tea in the end of the metal brake line to prevent leakage. The calipers appear to be pressed against the brake pads making removal of the brake pads difficult. Any ideas??

Frank Reiner 08-28-2016 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631257)
I've removed the top and bottom pins, how do I remove the retainer spring itself? I noticed a small bolt that appears to be holding the horizontal middle section of the spring on the left side of the caliper (see photo).

Also, you can see the bolt on the left at 1:30 on this video. Do I need to loosen that bolt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbJX1MLrWY


"How do I remove front disc retainer springs?" That is the pad retainer.

It is stuck between the pads, because the pads are completely worn out, and the tops of the backing plates have been forced against the retainer spring by the pistons, which are stuck in the caliper bores, preventing their retraction.
Get a prying tool under the spring, use excessive force, and pop it out.

HuskyMan 08-28-2016 04:36 PM

I'm thinking if I remove the caliper from the rotor I could more easily remove the brake pads......is this idea feasable? Again, the calipers appear to be pressing against the brake pads making their removal difficult. I have tried wedging a pry bar between the brake pad and the caliper to press the caliper back into its bore but am unable to get it wedged in.

Frank Reiner 08-28-2016 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631292)
I'm thinking if I remove the caliper from the rotor I could more easily remove the brake pads......is this idea feasable? Again, the (calipers) appear to be pressing against the brake pads making their removal difficult.

Yes.

And it is the pistons that are against the pads.

HuskyMan 08-28-2016 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Reiner (Post 3631293)
Yes.

And it is the pistons that are against the pads.

Got it, sorry, when I'm tired I sometimes misname or mistype.

HuskyMan 08-28-2016 05:21 PM

I'm using a 1/2" drive 19mm socket and a long breaker bar on the bolts holding the brake caliper. I've sprayed PB Blaster on the bolts holding the caliper. The bolts won't budge!

So...I've sprayed them again with PB Blaster and am going to let them sit for 15 minutes or so. I sure hope I don't need an impact wrench for these 19mm bolts!!! I also saw a youtube video where the guy uses an oxygen acetylene torch to loosen stuck bolts.

Graham 08-28-2016 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HuskyMan (Post 3631298)


So...I've sprayed them again with PB Blaster and am going to let them sit for 15 minutes or so. I sure hope I don't need an impact wrench for these 19mm bolts!!! I also saw a youtube video where the guy uses an oxygen acetylene torch to loosen stuck bolts.

They have threadlocker on them. A little heat will help soften that. I used one of those small pencil butane torches to heat the bolt head and that helped. Can't really recall, but I think I have used a piece of pipe to get extra leverage on some brake jobs. (maybe impact gun on others - but is there access)


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