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cdragotta 06-15-2017 04:57 PM

OM603 Turbo on an OM602
 
So...I have an '87 300SDL with the OM603 diesel. I also have a '91 300D daily driver. I'm tired of the vacuum turbo setup. Can I swap the 300SDL's pressure-actuated Turbo into my 300D?


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jake12tech 06-15-2017 05:07 PM

Not sure of the differences... But however you can bypass all the vacuum if you look up the egr delete and wastegate swap. It cost 80 to out a pressure actuated wastegate and you can get rid of all the **** next to the air box. Also why fix something that isn't broke. That system is reliable provides gbe vacuum hoses are in good shape

cdragotta 06-15-2017 05:09 PM

Well...rather then send my Turbo out to be rebuilt, I thought if I could just swap out that it would be easier.


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BusterBoyBenz 06-15-2017 05:25 PM

OM 603s use a T30 turbo and the OM 602 s use a T25 turbo, so that's something to consider.

cdragotta 06-15-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BusterBoyBenz (Post 3720544)
OM 603s use a T30 turbo and the OM 602 s use a T25 turbo, so that's something to consider.



Noob ALERT! What would the difference be between them? Would it be detrimental to the engine?


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Mxfrank 06-15-2017 06:11 PM

T30 won't fit, simple as that.

BusterBoyBenz 06-15-2017 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by cdragotta (Post 3720549)
Noob ALERT! What would the difference be between them? Would it be detrimental to the engine?


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I don't know of every precise difference but I suspect substituting a non-original turbo for a turbo that was designed for optimal performance as part of a highly engineered drivability package that these cars are would perform at non-optimal levels even if it could be physically accomplished.

As far as being detrimental to the engine, possibly not but functionally probably so.

I have no reason to argue I was merely pointing out the obvious differences to anyone who was thinking such a move was a direct swap.

BusterBoyBenz 06-15-2017 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdragotta (Post 3720549)
Noob ALERT! What would the difference be between them? Would it be detrimental to the engine?


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I don't know of every precise difference but I suspect substituting a non-original turbo for a turbo that was designed for optimal performance as part of a highly engineered drivability package that these cars are would perform at non-optimal levels even if it could be physically accomplished.

As far as being detrimental to the engine, possibly not but functionally probably so.

I have no reason to argue I was merely pointing out the obvious differences to anyone who was thinking such a move was a direct swap.

In addition the OM 603 could have come equipped with a Garret turbo but might have been originally equipped with a KKK turbo in the alternative. That might also complicate any installation.

Mxfrank 06-15-2017 08:31 PM

The T30 is too big. It won't fit the flange:

https://www.driftworks.com/forum/threads/turbo-flange-dimensions-t25-t3-t04.3809/

If your vacuum controls don't work, fix the vacuum controls. There's no need to rebuild the alternator.

cdragotta 06-15-2017 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mxfrank (Post 3720590)
The T30 is too big. It won't fit the flange:

https://www.driftworks.com/forum/threads/turbo-flange-dimensions-t25-t3-t04.3809/

If your vacuum controls don't work, fix the vacuum controls. There's no need to rebuild the alternator.



I'm not gonna lie...I was a little confused about that last part about the vacuum controls and the alternator. But, now I get the analogy. Thought you'd get a little laugh out if my dense-brained moment.


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cdragotta 06-15-2017 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterBoyBenz (Post 3720586)
I don't know of every precise difference but I suspect substituting a non-original turbo for a turbo that was designed for optimal performance as part of a highly engineered drivability package that these cars are would perform at non-optimal levels even if it could be physically accomplished.



As far as being detrimental to the engine, possibly not but functionally probably so.



I have no reason to argue I was merely pointing out the obvious differences to anyone who was thinking such a move was a direct swap.



In addition the OM 603 could have come equipped with a Garret turbo but might have been originally equipped with a KKK turbo in the alternative. That might also complicate any installation.



Eh. No offense taken. That's why I posted here before I even thought of trying the swap. I know you guys know what you're talking about. I do appreciate the advice.


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sixto 06-15-2017 10:36 PM

You might be able to adapt the 603 turbo's wastegate actuator to the 602 turbo.

Sixto
83 300SD can be yours
98 E320 wagon

Mxfrank 06-16-2017 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cdragotta (Post 3720605)
I'm not gonna lie...I was a little confused about that last part about the vacuum controls and the alternator. But, now I get the analogy. Thought you'd get a little laugh out if my dense-brained moment.


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Actually, it was my addle brain moment...I meant to say there's no need to fix the turbo if only the vacuum wastegate control is broken. Sorry about that.

cdragotta 06-16-2017 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sixto (Post 3720646)
You might be able to adapt the 603 turbo's wastegate actuator to the 602 turbo.

Sixto
83 300SD can be yours
98 E320 wagon



Hmmm...that might be doable.


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Mxfrank 06-16-2017 12:46 PM

There's a flat spot on the outlet of the T25. You need to drill and tap it for a 1/4" fitting, and then replace the wastegate actuator with a pressure activated actuator. Once that's done, all you need is a rubber hose to drive the actuator.

It's probably easier to locate the problem with the vacuum system.


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