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May be just a wider M12 washer(s) under the wheel bolt would be good enough? You know the sort of wider things usually sold for putting bolts through wood - it doesn't have to be super tight as in "my wheel will fall off tight"
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also for those who have used dial indicator to measure... how much force should I apply to check the axial play? when measuring the play inwards a moderate push moves 0.005mm but if I push my absolute hardest and brace against something I can get it to 0.01mm...I doubt they intend for the absolute hardest movement but I am curious based on folks experiences
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Taper bearing life is dependent on how much axial clearance it has.
Data shows max life is when the bearing is slightly preloaded, but bearing life drops fast if preload is a bit more than slight. So service in the field requires the preload in bearings set as close to zero as possible. Mercedes does this by specifying 10 microns clearance, which can be done with a dial and experienced hands. This is about as safe and healthy as a specification can get. Doing it the old fashioned way.... seating the races, backing off the nut, then finger tight, will typically get you .003" (75 microns) clearance. This is also pretty good for long bearing life and nothing to scoff at.
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The FSM is a bit cryptic at some times and almost assumes that a lot of information is a "known fact" for the person performing repairs.
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That's fair...I doubt they made the FSM with DIYers in mind...speaking of assumed "known information" can anyone comment on how hard to push and pull to check the preload?
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The dial gauge is going to detect the movement you are trying to read easily - you don't have to try and push the vehicle off your carefully placed axle stands...
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lol - half a white knuckle - sounds about right to be honest. to make it simple, the idea behind all this that the hub sits square to the spindle snout, as we know the hub has weight and weight wants to meet its girlfreind gravity. The hub is useless if its sitting on the ground. We have to make sure the hub sits just right on the snout - The push/pull is not violent, just enough to move the gauge with a firm yet human pull - if you become green hulk and warp the hub with your hands - then all bets are off
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I've never been able to use a dial indicator repeatably on these.
The 2 dozen or so times I've adjusted mine over the last 30 years has been the "tighten it a bit firm, then back off and pull back up a bit", based mostly on experience. The final check is to get the wheel on and grab the tire at top/bottom, and pull/push. I like to feel just a tiny but discernible click from the bearing. Turning the nut about 5-10 degrees to adjust the click to my satisfaction usually gets it right. Works so far, got about 275k on the original bearings, with the original grease - I just stir it around a bit when I have the hub off doing rotor changes. So, yes, they WILL apparently last forever. Along that subject, I've observed that any genuine MB part that moves or is made of rubber will outlast any aftermarket part 10-1. Of course it costs 10x as much, too. DG |
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