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hbofinger 09-26-2019 04:40 PM

560 SEL in "limp" mode...
 
Hi all, I just did a plenum seal job on my 1989 560 SEL. I had my mechanic go over the work, do a smoke test, all is solid and OK. He congratulated me on the job. But the car does not accelerate worth crap. It is beyond his knowledge, he suspects something electronic. The problem started after the transmission was replaced.

What would put a 560 SEL into "limp" mode? He noticed that the spark does not advance as you attempt to accelerate the engine.

Any pointers would be appreciated. There are no vacuum leaks, everthing is tight, and the mixture has been adjusted.

Usaguy 09-27-2019 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbofinger (Post 3961852)
He noticed that the spark does not advance as you attempt to accelerate the engine.


Timing on a 560SEL is done by the EZL which needs to have a vacuum hose connected to it

vacuum connects to number 1 on this picture:

https://www.benzworld.org/attachments/ezl-jpg.2343658/

you can check with a vacuum gauge if there is vacuum from the line


Also another tip: clean the inside posts of your distributor cap. You won't believe how dirty they can get I have to clean mine every month or two.

hbofinger 09-27-2019 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christuna (Post 3961965)
Timing on a 560SEL is done by the EZL which needs to have a vacuum hose connected to it

vacuum connects to number 1 on this picture:

https://www.benzworld.org/attachments/ezl-jpg.2343658/

you can check with a vacuum gauge if there is vacuum from the line


Also another tip: clean the inside posts of your distributor cap. You won't believe how dirty they can get I have to clean mine every month or two.

Thank you for your helpful reply, will follow up on the vacuum line.

ILUVMILS 09-27-2019 12:04 PM

Check all throttle linkages carefully. Something might've gotten thrown off when the transmission job was done.

Frank Reiner 09-27-2019 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hbofinger (Post 3961852)
Hi all, I just did a plenum seal job on my 1989 560 SEL. I had my mechanic go over the work, do a smoke test, all is solid and OK. He congratulated me on the job. But the car does not accelerate worth crap. It is beyond his knowledge, he suspects something electronic. The problem started after the transmission was replaced.

What would put a 560 SEL into "limp" mode? He noticed that the spark does not advance as you attempt to accelerate the engine.

Any pointers would be appreciated. There are no vacuum leaks, everthing is tight, and the mixture has been adjusted.


Did the congratulatory "mechanic" also replace the transmission?
What is the chronological order of the intake work and the replacement of the trans?

hbofinger 09-29-2019 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Reiner (Post 3962095)
Did the congratulatory "mechanic" also replace the transmission?
What is the chronological order of the intake work and the replacement of the trans?

First: Transmission exchange. Replaced it with a Sun Valley rebuild. Old one was smoking, no power issues.

Second: Power issues appeared. Mechanic blamed Plenum Seals. I did the job over a three month period. Seals were bad, also found a cracked hose under the fuel distributor.

Third: Upon starting, the power problems persisted.

Just did a vacuum test by the EZL: It is receiveing strong vacuum, so this is not the issue. Suspect bad EZL... (timing not advancing with increased rpm)

hbofinger 09-29-2019 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILUVMILS (Post 3962089)
Check all throttle linkages carefully. Something might've gotten thrown off when the transmission job was done.

Linkages are ok... I do wonder about the crank angle sensor, except that a friend of mine has stated the engine would not even run if something were wrong there...

hbofinger 09-29-2019 12:08 PM

Vacuum OK!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hbofinger (Post 3962007)
Thank you for your helpful reply, will follow up on the vacuum line.

Checked it with a gauge, there is vacuum...


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