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Jorn 01-11-2022 07:09 PM

Failed CA smog check 1990 300SE.
 
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Unfortunately my 1990 300SE failed to pass smog today, in the past it always passed with flying colors. The technician told me it was most likely the EGR valve not functioning. I tested the EGR valve with a vacuum pump and nothing was moving, nor did it hold any vacuum. I attached the SMOG paper with the numbers. Any ideas what the numbers are telling?

Sugar Bear 01-11-2022 07:37 PM

See if the EGR valve moves when revving the engine and applying vacuum. An inoperable EGR valve will increase cylinder temp and then NO (nitrous oxide). Check for vacuum to the EGR also, you could have a bad valve and no signal to the valve.

Good luck!!!

Jorn 01-11-2022 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear (Post 4212150)
See if the EGR valve moves when revving the engine and applying vacuum. An inoperable EGR valve will increase cylinder temp and then NO (nitrous oxide). Check for vacuum to the EGR also, you could have a bad valve and no signal to the valve.

Good luck!!!

Thanks, will start with that.

Sugar Bear 01-11-2022 10:32 PM

If you can mechanically open the valve with the engine running it should stumble with the big vacuum leak created. There is a tube from the valve around the back of the head to the bottom of the intake that clogs, if no stumbling that tube is clogged. Replace it with new if possible first, second is to try to clean it out with an old speedometer cable...not fun.

Good luck!!!

Jorn 01-11-2022 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear (Post 4212229)
If you can mechanically open the valve with the engine running it should stumble with the big vacuum leak created. There is a tube from the valve around the back of the head to the bottom of the intake that clogs, if no stumbling that tube is clogged. Replace it with new if possible first, second is to try to clean it out with an old speedometer cable...not fun.

Good luck!!!

Would seafoam help to unclog it, if it's clogged?

Sugar Bear 01-11-2022 10:54 PM

If you could get it directly into the tube, maybe. Some have disconnected the tube at both ends and worked old speedo cables through them. One end is at the valve, the other is under the intake manifold near the center below the throttle plate.

From what I scan tell the tubes are NLA.

Jorn 01-11-2022 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear (Post 4212238)
If you could get it directly into the tube, maybe. Some have disconnected the tube at both ends and worked old speedo cables through them. One end is at the valve, the other is under the intake manifold near the center below the throttle plate.

From what I scan tell the tubes are NLA.

The EGR valve is NLA as well. What I've read it ain't easy to remove the pipe underneath the intake manifold without removing it first.

Sugar Bear 01-12-2022 11:22 AM

Couple of thoughts...

Perhaps a used pipe from a forum member or a junkyard would allow you to thoroughly clean it before install and study/plan on removal and install.

IIRC the connection at the bottom of the intake has a fitting between the pipe and the intake. It may be doable to remove that fitting to gain access to the inside of the pipe to clean it internally without completely removing the pipe.

Start soaking both ends of the pipe at the fittings with penetrating oil (not WD-40). Do it multiple times.

Good luck!!!

Diesel911 01-12-2022 03:34 PM

This is not discounting that anything that needs fixing should be fixed.

I think way back it was said biodiesel does not have the same emissions. With some research you might find it has less NOX.

Diesel911 01-12-2022 03:41 PM

I found this: "Effects of Biodiesel on Emissions"

https://dieselnet.com/tech/fuel_biodiesel_emissions.php

Jorn 01-12-2022 04:45 PM

Mine is a non diesel, M103 300SE.

Jorn 01-12-2022 04:47 PM

Fortunately to find an almost new EGR valve locally, the original one is completely toast.

Diesel911 01-12-2022 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 4212391)
Mine is a non diesel, M103 300SE.

Oops.

When I had the NOX issue on 2 of gasoline vehicles over they years a new but generic catalytic converter fixed the issue. The newsiest was a 92 Astro van. Note there is a number on the generic CAT. The emission test guy is going to look at that and look on his list to see if it one legal for your vehicle.

You don't have to buy the expensive CAT with the whole pipes on it but as mentioned you have to buy a CAT that the State has is OK as substitute.

https://www.smogtips.com/failed-high-NO-nitric-oxide.cfm

Premium gasoline typically had gasohol in it.

Looks like gasohol can raise you NO emissions.

"The study was prepared by a California consulting firm that has done extensive work for the governments of eight Northeastern states and California. It concludes that ''gasohol,'' or gasoline with 10 percent grain alcohol, would cut carbon monoxide by 25 percent, but that nitrogen oxides, which cause smog and acid rain, would rise by 8 to 15 percent, and hydrocarbons would rise by 50 percent. That works out to 6 percent more smog."

https://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/09/business/gasohol-may-cut-monoxide-but-raise-smog-study-asserts.html

nulu 01-12-2022 09:05 PM

This year 2021 my e 320 wagon egr failed too , and no longer available, i found a similiar one off a newer engine , but it didnt bolt on, so i removed the guts and they did bolt on to my valve base , it worked and passed smog , i had high
nox also, if you cant find one maybe you could do the same

Paulwho 01-13-2022 06:43 PM

https://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/53237/EGR-Valve-0021401360/
claim to have the egr valve in stock

Duke2.6 01-14-2022 08:59 AM

It's clear to me that your EGR valve is non-functional and needs to be replaced. It's critical to passing the NOx cutpoints.

Years ago my '88 190E 2.6 five-speed was getting marginal on HC, so I retarded the spark advance map by removing the R16/1, replacing it with a homemade shorting plug and blocking the vacuum advance line to the EZL module. This retards the spark advance map that increases EGT, making the catalyst more efficient, which reducers HC, and it also reduces peak combustion temperature that reduces engine out Nox. My model does not have EGR, and these mods also dramatically reduced NOx.

These temporary mods will probably get you a pass even with an inop EGR, but you should replace it.

BTW, removing the R16/1 resistor completely will dramatically improve low end torque/power and around town fuel economy due to the more aggressive spark advance map ,but probably won't pass emissions.

The following two threads provide more details. I have a background in emission control research from the U. of Wisconsin Engine Research Center back in the late sixties.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/113803-m103-emission-test-insight.html

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/tech-help/117048-successful-ca-asm-emission-test-ke-fuel-system.html

Duke

Jorn 01-14-2022 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulwho (Post 4212678)

Tnx for the link, but it's a different one that won't fit the M103. The right one has only one fitting.

Jorn 01-14-2022 06:44 PM

Passed with the new EGR valve. :)

Sugar Bear 01-15-2022 03:38 PM

Good news. Did you find new or good used as mentioned in your earlier post?

Would be nice to disassemble the old one to find the failure point and find a repair method. It's a common failure with parts NLA.

Jorn 01-16-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sugar Bear (Post 4213148)
Good news. Did you find new or good used as mentioned in your earlier post?

Would be nice to disassemble the old one to find the failure point and find a repair method. It's a common failure with parts NLA.

Found an almost new EGR valve sold by a Mercedes mechanic in Santa Monica.

The old one was completely toast, rust made it so weak it broke in pieces when I took it off.

One thing I noticed, I have less power from 0 to 30 mph with the new valve.


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