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Old 05-28-2003, 06:54 AM
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And I'll volunteer to keep Franks shoes shined while he is taking care of Steve, then fill in for him on the days he can't make it.

Have a great day,
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Old 05-28-2003, 12:52 PM
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I can bring some shoe polish, and pick up some cream, sugar, and some of that really good coffee that the Germans drink.

(of course, I would be delivering it with whatever car needs the most attention at that time)
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Old 05-28-2003, 10:02 PM
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It is people like you that add some stability to this forum that sometimes goes overboard about how many mils thick a coat of paint is. Thank you for your recent help and please stay with us. I didn't see the thread in question but i know there is always a weak minded person trying to look better than the teacher. please continue to share your experience. we need your help. charlie
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Old 05-29-2003, 01:11 AM
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Tribal knowledge is rampant among automobile posts. Please hang in there and do what ever it takes to correct those technical inaccuracies you find.. This is a responsibility we all share by virtue of participating on the forum.
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Old 07-20-2003, 12:22 AM
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We are all here to learn, and to help others.

Anyone who got good at anything, got good by correction and the commitment to personal understanding

Any expert became competent by this process.

To stay here, we are all morally bound to learn, and to help others learn...whether or not they happen to be more expert at most of the broader MB subject area.

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Old 07-20-2003, 04:18 AM
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A person has to be real small to think that opinions dressed as facts acquire any more stature by degrading the messenger. [/B][/QUOTE]


In this post I speak not as a shade tree mechanic but as a shade tree philosopher.

The dilemma you appear to be dealing with concerns the relationship between authority and power.

The two words are often (mistakenly) used interchangeably but they are two very distinct parts of a system that defines ethics and morality.

Succinctly stated... If one acts (exercises power) as a consequence of genuine authority (true knowledge and moral purpose) then one is acting authoritatively and therefore ethically.

However if one claims authority because s/he has power... then acts emanating from such a relationship are authoritarian and immoral.

Ultimately authority existed prior to creation and is therefore godlike and divine and it is this transcendent quality that we as humans can share with our creator (all can share but not all choose to share). And in this sense we have been created in the image of God.

Alternatively, power is a consequence of creation... a consequence of authority... and is therefore temporal rather than divine... and it too is very much a part of our human nature. By itself power is as amoral as a parked Mercedes... How it is used is what defines whether it is part of moral or immoral acts.

Thus... when you or another post and speak with genuine authority based on experience and true knowledge you are exercising power and acting authoritatively and morally.

Contrarily, those who "degrade the messenger" are making a power play. They are using an unethical exercise of power to either undermine a source of genuine authority (like yourself)... or they are attempting to deceptively and unethically bestow authority upon themselves by infering the messenger is responsible for the content of the message.

So whenever you have doubts about the wisdom of doing good simply remember that power is short lived and temporal while authority is eternal and divine... and that you as a Moral Master Mercedes Mechanic... posess both and have unwittingly become a founding member of the 4M Club.

Thanks once again for telling me where to find that corroded connector that was under the floor mat of the rear seat! I had the whole interior of the car torn out to include door panels and seats...all dispersed throught the back yard trying to find it.


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Old 07-31-2003, 11:40 PM
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Nicely stated ejsharp. I had to read it twice, but nicely stated.

Steve: The combination of your knowledge and willingness to share it is priceless.

Some folks have one and not the other. But those who hold onto the "power of their unshared knowledge" kill it in the end. My 85 yr old martial arts master was constantly teaching so he could pass on as much as possible to his students. I will never forget his passion to help others by passing on the truth.

Hang in there and do what you feel is right.

Oh, and thanks for recommending that perfect Blaupunkt for my 260E earlier this month......

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Old 08-01-2003, 01:24 AM
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I have an uncle overseas who is a professional Mb technician for over 50 years. To me he's the best. He only works on Mercedes cars. I used to hang in his shop when I was a kid and that was the reason I studied engineering and work in the automotive industry. I would have to say that after reading some of your posts, I was really impressed with your level of knowledge that I can speak for two people now; my uncle and you.
Thanks for all of your replies to my emails and to this forum.
You generous contribution to this forum has always been a great help.
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