I have a '92 300E. It had the old, original lights in it. I replaced them with the European headlights. my current wipers will not work with the Euro lights. Where can I but some wipers that will work with the Euro lights?

Off of a 94-95 E class car I think.
They are different

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You think? :) Is there anyway I could find out for sure? My local MB dealer is a real pain to deal with and they are never any help, unless I know the part number of what I need :)

When I replaced the headlights on my '86 300E with Euro versions, I also made a simple bracket for the old wiper motor. This allows you to attach the old motor to the headlight assembly (as with the USA version).

The old wipers work perfectly fine with the Euro lights. However, the Euro wiper arms/blades are longer, enabling them to clean the fog lamps as well. Although I haven't yet tried it, one could probably use the Euro arms/blades on the the USA motors. Can anyone verify that?

Late 93(94 model year) - 95 W124 E-Class front headlight wipers should fit with Europ Spec Headlights as that those year of W124 has "Europ-Spec type" headlight, with the exception of orange reflector on the side markers(or front turn signal lenses, if you prefer)...... :)

Andy Ko

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Hi Barrie,
Where did you buy your euro lights from - I'm looking to pay in Canadian $$...
Thanks,
Nick

JCE:
In this case, a description will be more helpful than a drawing (which I don't have anyway).
The 'bracket' is simply an L-shaped piece of aluminum plate that you attach to the underside of the light ass'y to hold the motor shaft (same as old version). The size and location for your mounting bracket will be evident when you align the motor on the light ass'y. Line-up the motor for an appropriate sweep and mark the location. A piece of aluminum (approx .07") with one bend makes you the bracket; attach with a few metal screws. All of this can be done on your workbench.
If you optimize the wiper location for the best sweep area you'll also need to drill a new hole in the facia plate (plug the old one with a plastic grommet).
This job will take you a couple of leisurely hours (that's with a beer in one hand).
If you need more, let me know.
Barrie

Hi Nick,
The Euro lights are significantly less expensive than the NA version (at least here in Canada). This is even more surprising given their superior reflectors, construction and glass cover (instead of the crappy plastic lens over the fogs that crack with the first stone). You'll love them!

I'll e-mail you the info re Cdn sources and prices.
Regards,
Barrie

chris:
It's in the mail!

Hi Barrie,

Can you email me the vendor's address and phone number as well?

elee@debooks.com

Thanks a lot.

Lose the silly little wipers anyway. Pain in the A-- no matter what you have for lights. The time and money people spend on these things amazes me. Can anyone tell me if they have ever noticed any difference in how the lights are shining and if they are able to notice an improvement after the silly little wipers have done their thing. Unless you are driving through mud holes (and who would do that with a MB sedan)why kill yourself ($$$, frustration, $$$) over these silly pieces of mechanical fluff.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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1987 300e
1989 300e
1987 BMW 325

I agree with Jeff, this is a really useless thing to bother with.
Untill now I had so many problem with my wipers on my old 500SEL that I simply disconnected them.
Unless someone does rallying in mud in the night with their MBs(must be dumb to do this with an MB) I can't see the reason to spend so many hours on the wipers.

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The Headlight washers/wipers are very effective in parts of the world where we have salt brine on the roads during the winter. No matter how good your headlights are, once they're coated with that stuff (takes about 2 minutes) the headlights are virtually useless. Under these conditions those funny little wipers are a major safety asset!
...Unless you figure a Mercedes shouldn't be driven when there's road salt or mud around. Personally, the thing I find most admirable about the MB (at least the older ones) is their safety and durability under less-than-ideal road conditions.

Barrie,

Another "me too" reply :P I'd like info on the Euro headlights...Bekker's seems too expensive, plus they come with orange side markers that will just go up on ebay when I get them because I have clear markers plus the OE orange ones sitting in my garage...I've been looking for a source for just the lights without the markers. Thanks...

Chris

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[This message has been edited by flipSyde (edited 02-13-2000).]

I too would appreciate a contact for the euro lights for my W124.

Thanks in advance,
Rich

I'll e-mail you the info re Cdn sources and prices.
Regards,
Barrie [/B][/QUOTE]



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'89 300E
'72 Citroen DS
'72 Citroen SM

Rich,
I'm not sure why you need the 500E assemblies if you mean by 'driving lights' what I call 'daytime running lights'. All Euro headlight assemblies are clear glass across the headlamps and fogs. Consequently, I use the fog section as daytime running lights - standard practice here in Canada, but a major annoyance to some drivers in the US (which you'll soon find out).
The fogs use a 55W H3 bulb which is plenty bright enough. However, I suggest installing the bulb-type with a slight yellowish hue. The yellow is only barely noticeable, but enough to prevent oncoming traffic from confusing the extra set of lights with high-beams.
If this is what you intended, the assemblies I referenced will do it. Or did I miss something, and you have another purpose in mind?

Barrie


In relpy to:

Barrie
One more quick question. Do you know the part numbers for the 500E lamp assemblies? This would give me the driving lamps rather than the fog lamps. I have a ’98 300E.

Thanks again,
Rich

barrie,
i live in chicago but am willing to buy from canada for the lights...bekkers is way too expensive...i would greatly appreciate it if you could email me the address/contact/sebsite of any vendors seeling the euro-look headlights for my 89 300e...thanks

ben

Either in brine conditions or in drizzling conditions where it hasn't rained hard enough to wash off the roads, the headlights can get filthy. The headlight cleaners do help.

I would ask for the contact for the 300E Euro lights, but the poor fellow has worn out his keyboard, sending it out to everyone, I'm embarrassed to ask.

Best regards,

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'84 Euro 240D, 516K miles
'88 300E 5 Speed
Over 800,000 miles in
Mercedes automobiles

[QUOTE]Originally posted by barrie:
[B]Rich,
I'm not sure why you need the 500E assemblies if you mean by 'driving lights' what I call 'daytime running lights'.

Barrie,
The 500E has driving lights where the fog lights are and the fog lights are relocated under the bumper at each end of the intake grill. I believe the reflectors and lens are different than the rest of the W124’s.

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'72 Citroen SM

Larry,
No sweat - it's an MB keyboard!
Everyone has their info and yours is in the mail.
To all of you: would appreciate your feedback your feedback on the service, pricing, etc. you received; what you decided to do re. conversion and wipers; and in the end, how you like the Euro lights?

Best regards,
Barrie

Mod: With this kind of demand, Why doesn't PartsShop carry them??

Rich,
The physical arrangements are very different. My point is that you need to decide how you want to use your lights, and whether you can get double-duty out of the fog section.
In my situation, the fog section is used continuously as a daytime driving light, and maybe once a year as a fog light. In any event, it does both jobs very well.
If you install the 500E components you'll need to do your homework on the physical fit and electrical conversion.
Let me know what you decide.
Barrie

Barrie:
I called LuxEuro week before last, and the woman I talked to was going to call me back last week about shipping, currency conversion, and any need for different electrical connectors for my car. Didn't hear anything so I contacted PartsShop on the feedback section about the demand - they are going to look into it. Personally, I would like to buy everything at the spot where I get the most MB support. Thanks for all your help and info.

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87 300E, 60k miles
Smoke Silver

I like my Euro lights, but I still don't know what wipers to use! Anybody have any experience? I would hate to buy something and then they not work.

You have several options (all of which will work):
1) Buy the Euro motors, arms and blades for several hundred dollars. I can give you the part nos. if you really want to go this route.
2) Use your current motors/arms by making a bracket as described in my post above.
3) Use the USA motor, but replace the arms and blades with the Euro versions. I haven't tried this yet, but it's the route that I'm considering.
All of these options will require a relocation of the hole in the lower trim plate.
Of course, there are many who live without the wipers altogether.
Barrie

Won't those motor/wiper from last W124s fit?? I thought they have Euro-Type headlights(one piece)??? Just wondering...

Andy Kuo

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Andy,

The wiper motor/arms should work fine, but the motor mounting on the Euro light assembly may not be the same as on the USA version. If that's the case, you'll need to fabricate a bracket.
It's even possible that in the later models MB used the same motors on both the Euro and US versions (ingenious!). I'm sure Benzmac can provide this info re compatibilty/interchangeability.

Barrie

Hey Barrie, if you could have your MB keyboard send out information on those euro headlights it would be greatly appreciated. I just replaced my headlight doors and already regretting it after hearing of your successfull conversion.
Thanks,
Alex

Barrie, please copy me as well next time you send out the info...thanks syd

Hi Barry, read your post. could you also email me the sources for euro lights? are they a direct swap? Anyway thanks, email
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by barrie:
Hi Nick,
The Euro lights are significantly less expensive than the NA version (at least here in Canada). This is even more surprising given their superior reflectors, construction and glass cover (instead of the crappy plastic lens over the fogs that crack with the first stone). You'll love them!

I'll e-mail you the info re Cdn sources and prices.
Regards,
Barrie <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Webmaster,

Is there some sort of Brownie Point award you can give Barrie for all the responses he has sent out because of this one post. Maybe the "Most Helpful Non MercedesShop Moderator" Award.

Thanks Barrie,



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'84 Euro 240D, 516K miles
'88 300E 5 Speed
Over 800,000 miles in
Mercedes automobiles

Chris,
The headlight assembly itself is a direct swap...physical size, shape and mounting are identical.
The electrical connector is, however, different. You will need to replace the female connector that plugs into each headlight with the euro version. No cutting, soldering or anything like that, just correctly arrange the pins in the new connector and clip it closed.
If you plan on retaining the old wipers you will also need to fabricate a bracket as I described earlier.
Then, all that's left is to re-aim your headlights ... and enjoy MUCH greater visibility.
I've e-mailed the other information you requested.
Barrie

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LarryBible:
Webmaster,
Is there some sort of Brownie Point award you can give Barrie for all the responses he has sent out because of this one post. Maybe the "Most Helpful Non MercedesShop Moderator" Award.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was kinda thinking of creating a Headlights Forum and making Barrie the moderator! ;)



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Ok, so Euro 500E headlights will fit my 1990 300E except they have driving lights. I know the technical difference between driving and fog lights - and I'm not sure what would be better. Here in GA I guess its mostly driving-light weather, but every once in a while when I need fog lights, I NEED fog lights. How much better is the pattern of the fogs compared to US stock and how? Do the driving lights give any side illumination or are they strictly long range?

I guess if I need range, the highs on the euro 300E should be fine, and I'll still have the fogs when the weather becomes adverse

What do you think? Whats the price difference between Euro 500 and 300E, and would you email me any info on them, THANKS A BUNCH.

Sorry this was long :)

PS. one last thing I promoise! How do I convert the US spec 9004 plug so it can accept the new H4? what wattage bulbs have you guys gone up to without damage?


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Atlanta GA, USA
1990 300E
1989 BMW 735i

Hey barrie, can you send me the information about the Euro-headlights.....i would appreciate it

e-mail: AgronAhmedi@aol.com

For those 190E owners, there is an ebay listing for Euro headlights, item #272412502, for ~$190.

Barrie,

Can you email that purchasing info one more time? *grin*

Many thanks,

John

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by barrie:
Chris,
The headlight assembly itself is a direct swap...physical size, shape and mounting are identical.
The electrical connector is, however, different. You will need to replace the female connector that plugs into each headlight with the euro version. No cutting, soldering or anything like that, just correctly arrange the pins in the new connector and clip it closed.
If you plan on retaining the old wipers you will also need to fabricate a bracket as I described earlier.
Then, all that's left is to re-aim your headlights ... and enjoy MUCH greater visibility.
I've e-mailed the other information you requested.
Barrie<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



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Barrie said:
Hella sells these facia/trim plates for Euro headlights with holes in the appropriate areas to accomodate the USA wiper so that you don't have to drill/grommet new ones.

They cost $12 + shipping each and are primered and ready to paint.

Contact paul@puma-access.com for ordering information. (Hella USA referred me to this company.)

~~Paul