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Old 06-19-2003, 08:36 AM
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Unfortunately we are like the three blind men and the elephant without some data.

You probably need to see someone who can look at actual values and see whats happening. Without hooking my scanner to the car I never know on a 96/97 E320 whether I am dealing with HFM or ME fuel systems. I would worry about the throttle assy and all cables and/or linkage.
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Old 06-19-2003, 01:12 PM
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Thanks stevebfl

I think it would be cheaper for me to buy you a ticket to come to Canada and connect your scanner than going to the Mercedes dealer here, but I will probably have to tow my car there and see what is the problem.
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Old 06-27-2003, 01:03 PM
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I finally made an appointment with MB dealer for diagnosis of the problem.

How long should my appointment be for.?

Dealer tells me 1 hour minimum and than what ever it takes longer to find the problem.

Your help greatly appreciated!
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Old 06-28-2003, 03:49 AM
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I suspect the fuel relay... could have been jarred or the circuit board may have cracked during accident.

Pull the relay... remove the cover and examine closely the solder joints where the pins of the little contact points are mounted on the board. These little units are relatively heavy for the printed board because they contain an electromagnet. The solder can and often does crack where the pins are soldered to the board.

If so, solution is to resolder the pin to the board.
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Old 06-28-2003, 11:32 AM
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I would love to take a look at the fuel relay but I do not know where is it located in my car and what is the part number?

Thank you
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Old 06-28-2003, 04:04 PM
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On my 300E it is located behind the battery and covered by a removable plastic panel... at the fire wall. My unit is about the size of a pack of cigarettes and has the word "Kickdown" written on it.
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Old 06-28-2003, 07:58 PM
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My car is 1997 and has only 13,000 miles, probably different place
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Old 07-02-2003, 08:19 PM
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My car is in the MB shop today, they spent one hour but did not find anything, no fault codes.
They will try to do more testing tomorrow, I will let you know what they find.
How much time should it take to find what is the problem (if mechanic know what he is doing)

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Old 07-02-2003, 08:40 PM
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If its what I say in above post... they may never find it because it will not show up in the fault codes if the cracks are making contact at the time of the test. It usually takes a temperature change in the ambient temperature for the metal to expand and lose contact... usually as you are driving down the interstate or in the church driveway with another 100 cars in the parking lot behind you waiting for you get the car going again.

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Old 07-04-2003, 10:00 AM
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Hallo to everybody

I just got a word from MB dealer ant they say that the main computer ECM is not good according to their tests.

Do you think it is possible ?

Should I buy a new one or used one?

I will let you know the part # later whem I pick up the papers.

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Old 07-04-2003, 10:06 AM
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Also can the computer be reprogrammed or fixed somehow?

Thank you
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Old 07-04-2003, 11:51 AM
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People that fix controllers call them "rebuilt". There is one really good source for "rebuilt" MB controllers. That place is Beckman Technologies in Durham NC.

Many of MB's controller fixes are just software modifications, because of this rebuilders can make a very good product. Unlike BMW or the rest of the world, MB makes one buy a new controller (up to 2002 when they started "flash" programming controllers) to get new software.

There is a very important issue that is not technical in your question. THe standard diagnostics of automotive controllers does not allow for absolute judgement on these issues. A tech working on a problem will often get to the point of "substitutting know good controller" to confirm diagnossis. Anyone paying for such diagnosis and then finding it not to be so needs to proceed with diagnostics. For those only dealing with this as a consumer it becomes hard to understand.

I do diagnostics for other shops almost daily. In many cases I have the "know good controller" and can finish the diagnosis. In other cases I call the shop and give them my diagnosis at that point. They have two options. The initially cheapest option would be to buy their own controller and finish the fix. The second option is for them to pay me for the fix. Seams easy right. Not quite, if I buy the controller and find it not to be the problem I proceed with diagnostics to the final fix and they pay whatever it took but not the controller. If they decide to do the fix themselves then they own a controller.

The point here is that at the point you are at, you are only paying for testing and a concept that appears next in testing. if you wish to proceed on yout own then pay your bill and take the risk. There is no warrantee on testing. If you accept testing as diagnosis and let them finish they should warrantee everything including their diagnopsis.
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Old 07-04-2003, 12:41 PM
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Hi Steve

Did I understand you corectly?

My controler can be reflashed with new software by the company you mentioned or can not be reflashed?

If yes, what is the cost of doing so?

I found many controllers at junk jards starting $125 up to $600.

Have you seen many of this controllers go bad? ( my car was in accident only 13000 miles)?

Thank you
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Old 07-04-2003, 01:59 PM
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Controllers built after sometime in 2002 can be flash repriogrammed in the field as new software fixes become available. BMW has been doing this for years and GM has been doing it for even more years.

MB makes one buy a whole new controller to do the software fix. Many including some on this board have burned the new software fixes into the 36k chips that store the programming. This probably is not the kind on problem you are having with your co9ntroller. If its software needs fixing it is broken software I don't think there are any specific software fixes in your area.

Your controller is also married to DAS and can't be moved from car to car. If you get a junk yard controller rebuilders can repair that problem.
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Old 07-04-2003, 02:08 PM
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Here are the diagnistic results from MB dealer:

Checked fuel pressure

Over voltage from boosting?

Swapped coils

Swapped air flow meter

Checked throtle operation w/ HHT

Engine misfiring

No faulsts in ME

All points to computer, this is what the dealer says


Here is the info from the printout from the dealer:

HHT PRINTOUT
03.07.03
Status 02/03

ME2
MB NUMBER: 023 545 24 32
Diag ident: 4/05
no faults stored

ETS
MB NUMBER: 019 545 47 32
Diag ident: 1/03
no faulsts stored

EGS
MB NUMBER: 020 545 88 32
Diag ident: 0/00
no faults stored

IFZ
MB NUMBER: 210 820 53 26
Diag ident: 1/03
no faults stored

IFZ
MB NUMBER: 210 820 32 26
Diag ident: 0/00
no faults stored

SKF (?)
MB NUMBER: 210 820 39 26
Diag ident:0/01
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

KFB
MB NUMBER: 210 820 39 26
Diag ident: 0/01
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

PSE
MB NUMBER: 210 800 06 48
Diag ident: 0/00
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

ATA
MB NUMBER: 210 800 06 48
Diag ident: 0/00
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

ESV1
MB NUMBER: 210 820 19 26
Diag ident: 0/01
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

ESV2
MB NUMBER: 210 800 19 26
Diag ident: 0/01
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

ESL
MB NUMBER: 210 820 39 26
Diag ident: 0/01
B1011 Voltage supply Overvoltage

KI
MB NUMBER: 210 540 57 47
Diag ident: 0/02
B1755 Serial interface K2 from Auto AC/Tempmatic control module to instrument cluster
(this one probably because no freon in the system)

KLA
MB NUMBER: 210 830 22 85
Diag ident: 2/04
no faults stored

Is it really the computer that is gone?
Dealer says 80% is the computer (more than $2000 CAD) even if I buy and it turns out that it is not the problem they say I would still have to pay for it.


Please help

Greatly appreciated
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