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Old 09-26-2003, 11:30 PM
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Question Diesel toilet paper oil filter???????

1992 300D 2.5 turbo.

I am rebuilding the engine. I am using all new pistons. The rings on #5 were gone.

My father told me about these type of filters. He said "the oil never turned black".

Does anyone have any input on these filters? I saw the frantz system on the web.

I am rebuilding the turbo at turbo city. The guys there said that the most important thing was to have oil -Clean oil!!!!!!

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Old 09-26-2003, 11:55 PM
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If you know what toilet paper is for.... you'll forget about using it in your car.
True, some copanies tried to market the use of toilet paper as oil filters, but Benz never, to my knowledge, bought the righ to use the idea.
The idea finaly went exactly where the toilet paper should go.
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Old 09-27-2003, 01:59 AM
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Where's Larry Bible when you need him?

It'll take a genius the likes of which I doubt has been born to figure out how to keep oil in a Diesel engine from turning black. A trip around the block will turn a fresh fill of the best Delvac or Rotella synthetics black. There's no two ways about it with Diesels. Whatever damaged the rings of your number 5 piston wasn't something a roll of toilet paper would prevent.

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Old 09-27-2003, 03:09 AM
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Yes, they do work, and some governmental agencies do use them. However, the better ones use paper-towels, and it is hard to find room for them.

First off, you should keep your standard filter which is really a full-flow oil-filter, while the "paper-towel" filter is a by-pass filter to really CLEAN the oil.

Check it here:

http://www.bypassfilter.com/

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Old 09-27-2003, 07:17 AM
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Question OK I found the frantz oil filters

The website is

http://www.wefilterit.com

Has anyone had any experience with this system?

It claims that it will reduce the wear of the rings by as much as 50% and the compression rings as much as 80%. This is quite a big statement.

Diesel guys---please go to site and return for input.

Thank you

Nick

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Old 09-27-2003, 08:43 AM
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Eeeesh!

Just change your oil and filter every 3K and be done with it! I just retired a 4 cylinder turbo Mazda with 300,000 miles on it which did not burn any oil. Never opened the engine at all. Original turbo. Retired due to electrical problems.

Any well designed engine will probably provide more miles than you care to keep it for if you just follow the manufacturer's recommended schedule for maintenance, and, in the case of oil changes, go them one better and change it at 3K. Or 5K, or whatever makes you feel good. 3K makes me feel good.

In the big engine biz we change oil based on running hours and oil analysis. Typically more than 2000 hours on oil. In a car at an average speed of 40 MPH, 3000 miles is only 75 hours on the oil. So chances are it's gonna be fine and not "worn out".

And the Mazda? I used Dino oil.

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Old 09-27-2003, 09:33 AM
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Oh yes

Year ago we used this system as a test on about 30 class 8 Tractors (big trucks) - the program was promoted to extend the service interval between oil changes by 10K miles. We when you have 18,000 trucks that's a lot of savings. The bottom line was; the oil analysis after the extending miles was less that satisfactory for us and Detroit Deisel. These used a papertowell roll. Ohh - and the oil still turned black
More snake oil IMO
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I once overheard someone's comments about using a toilet paper roll for oil filter:

"If you can use the oil filter for what the toilet paper was intended for, then go right ahead .....".
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How badly do you want unfiltered oil in the engine? Toilet paper sure has fine porosity, but the flow will be insignificant. High backpressure, and the relief opens and unfiltered oil is sent to the engine. Oops, bearing wear.....

The stock MB filter has a full flow AND a fine porosity bypass filter in it already, why change?

If you want to use a fine porosity bypass filter, there are a number on the market, and NONE of them use toilet paper......

Fresh filter and oil change every 3000 miles with dino and 6000 with synthetic, the engine will outlast the body.

Synthetics are VASTLY better lubricants, no question. They also last much longer. I use Mobil 1 because I cannot find Delvac 1 around here easily. I don't expect to ever wear out an engine, either.

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Old 09-27-2003, 09:21 PM
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I've heard about toilet paper oil filters for a very long time but have never had the chance to try it. Many years ago I found a set-up on a car in a self service junkyard once and I even took it out and bought it for something like $10. I never installed it though. It still had the roll in the canister but it didn't look all that great as if it was falling apart. I'd hate to have a roll fall apart and clog up the entire oiling system.
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Old 09-28-2003, 12:40 PM
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To say nothing of the amount of loose wood fiber (highly abrasive) that will come out of non-bonded paper.....

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