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Old 12-21-2003, 01:40 PM
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My brother bought Wix filters for his two MBs recently simply because it was easier to get them with his work schedule. They appear to be quality filters, and have the correct filter shape and size -- full flow on the bottom for the 603, bypass at the top, full bypass for the 300D.

I still use German filters for the simple reason that they are made in a country where very long engine life under severe conditions is expected. Wix appears to be the best I've seen for US made (if they are anymore, even Bosch is usually India now) filters. However, the expectations are different, even with Wix being a major supplier of farm and over-the-road truck filters.

Unfortunately, the only way to tell would be to do a long term study.

Use what you want, I stick with Mann, etc.

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Old 12-21-2003, 03:45 PM
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hi jimdandy

i just posted on the other fram filter thread an amusing story.

i should have added that after 2 filter failures i switch to wix filters even thou i had to pay for those.

anyway... i don't think anybody can say which filter is better. mann wix or fram (excuse me) we don't have the necessary actual performance analysis figures to compare. but i would venture to say that if you replaced your oil regularly, changed filters each time (using whatever you're comfortable with) you probably won't have anymore problems than if you used only the mann filters.

i will say this however. i buy my filters over the internet 5 pcs at a time and they have an average cost delivered to me of 4-5 dollars apiece. all 3 of my cars use the same filter. so i luck out.

guys we got to remember even bosch is using India as a supply country so german engineering and german manufacturing may just be a myth anylonger.
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Old 12-21-2003, 04:01 PM
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I've used Wix in my other vehicles simply because I thought it was the best filter for those cars. I believe Wix/Dana manufactures many OE filters for domestic cars. I haven't had my Mercedes long, so I'm adjusting my thinking. Is Wix an ideal filter for my car, or are Mann, Hengst, Bosch, and Knecht really better, or is it mainly a personal preference?
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Old 12-22-2003, 12:17 AM
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I honestly think some people on this site talk out of their *** when it comes to cars.

Here is a INDEPENDENT study on oil filters

http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html

read it, you might learn something.


For all the people that slam something and can't back it up, learn how to do some research and actually support your claim.

i'm done.
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Old 12-22-2003, 02:05 AM
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I'm not sure who exactly left the impression that he spoke out of his ***. One respondent said that there was a significant design difference between OEM and Wix in his application and another respondent, a veteran MB tech BTW, presented a reflection of his experience. Unfortunately the responses thus far have not had the substance to convince the thread initiator that a Wix oil filter is or is not appropriate for his car. They seem to have succeeded in convincing you that you are among the minority of respondents that knows what they're talking about.

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Old 12-22-2003, 08:18 AM
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One respondent said that there was a significant design difference between OEM and Wix in his application
Yes, and that seemed plausible, but that was on a different engine and could likely be explained away by a lot of other factors.

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another respondent, a veteran MB tech BTW, presented a reflection of his experience.
His "experience" consisted of a "because i've read a lot of posts that came to that conclusion. and no i don't have the info now to back it up." So no, I didn't find that particular response convincing.
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Old 12-22-2003, 09:22 AM
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Wanna see something interesting?

Click on FastLane and find the oil filter for an 88 420SE (Not sure what year your 420 is). Fastlane carries 2 filters, Hengst (which is OEM) and Bosch (which is not OEM). Even in those tiny pictures, you can see a difference.

Is the difference significant? I dunno, but for basically the same price, I would go with the OEM.

But then, your mind was already made up that Wix is supreme, even before you asked the initial question, so why waste the bandwidth arguing about it?
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Old 12-22-2003, 09:46 AM
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But then, your mind was already made up that Wix is supreme, even before you asked the initial question, so why waste the bandwidth arguing about it?
No, it wasn't "made up," hence my asking. The Wix filters are readily available, but the OE filters take a little more legwork. That's why I was asking, is the legwork worth it? After doing some searching, I've already found that the OE filters are a little cheaper than the Wix, so that's definitely a plus for those.

Cutting open filters and posting junk like "I read it somewhere, that's how I know," doesn't really add very much useful information.
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Old 12-22-2003, 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by sixto
I'm not sure who exactly left the impression that he spoke out of his ***. One respondent said that there was a significant design difference between OEM and Wix in his application and another respondent, a veteran MB tech BTW, presented a reflection of his experience. Unfortunately the responses thus far have not had the substance to convince the thread initiator that a Wix oil filter is or is not appropriate for his car. They seem to have succeeded in convincing you that you are among the minority of respondents that knows what they're talking about.

" because i've read a lot of posts that came to that conclusion.
and no i don't have the info now to back it up. you asked
and i opined. i would put wix just below the genuine ones
wix is a good replacement if you can't get mann filters.

george"



Wow...if reading a lot of posts makes him an veteran mercedes tech, I should be one of the top techs in the world.

He had no proof/support to back up his claim. IE he was talking out of his ass.

Arguments are something that I hold dear to my heart, and when I see people saying things like
"i've read a lot of posts that came to that conclusion and no i don't have the info now to back it up" they are talking out of their ass.


That woudl be like me getting on a soap box and saying "All mexicans are illegal immegrants to this country, we need to get rid of them....oh and I dont' have anything that will prove that they are illegal, just take my word on it"
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Old 12-22-2003, 08:38 PM
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frankly guys this thread has been beat to death and run in the ground. enough already let's move on.

and one more thing

grow up and quit throwing insults. read the thread if it doesn't say anything worth while don't say anything and just dismiss it quietly LIKE A GENTLEMAN. GOT IT!

everyone can read a thread and decide if it's meaningful or not. it doesn't have to be pointed out and out and out. let it go.

i'm folding also
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Old 12-22-2003, 09:10 PM
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Cost and availability. That's what finally decided it for me. The independent shop where I get most of my service work done (I have too many irons in the fire right now to do it myself) hooked me up with a supplier located about five blocks over from where I usually buy my other parts and filters. They also happen to sell the correct Mann filter for a dollar and some LESS than what I can buy the same Wix unit.

Thanks to all who took the time to respond and apologies to anyone who may have gotten offended. I've damn near worn out my keyboard searching this forum alone.
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Old 12-22-2003, 11:00 PM
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sorry for all the trouble.
i will no longer contribute to this list as its seems all my
experiance seems to come out my ass.
i didn't know that about me.
didn't see the rules that one had to back up everything
with reams of proof.
oil filters--sooooo much bull**** about nothing.
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Old 12-22-2003, 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by mbshop
sorry for all the trouble.
i will no longer contribute to this list as its seems all my
experiance seems to come out my ass.
i didn't know that about me.
didn't see the rules that one had to back up everything
with reams of proof.
oil filters--sooooo much bull**** about nothing.
You're taking this way too hard. I think you have a lot to contribute, but I don't see how anyone benefits if you quit participating because some of us disagreed.
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Old 12-23-2003, 11:58 AM
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I asked my friend the MB mechanic the other day about Wix filters. He said they are excellent, but expensive.

The certainly LOOK good, and all the correct seals, etc. are in the box.

There you go.

Peter
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Old 12-23-2003, 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by psfred
I asked my friend the MB mechanic the other day about Wix filters. He said they are excellent, but expensive.

The certainly LOOK good, and all the correct seals, etc. are in the box.

There you go.

Peter
Almost $10 locally ($9 and some change) versus a little over $7 for an equivalent Mann filter.
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