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Old 12-24-2003, 01:07 AM
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I read through this thread, then suddenly remembered why it's been so long since I bothered coming here.

To the original poster......

I too have used Wix filters for years. I don't not use them in my MB, but have done so in many domestic/asian cars. They are a quality filter and have been so for years. I think some people here try to lump all non-german filters into the "junk" category. Bosch is german, yet they have received less than high marks in numerous tests. Fram gets trashed, but I've taken 2 cars past 300,000 using that brand. Go figure.

Maybe I'll log back in 6 months or so to see if ya'll are still squabbling over oil, filters, and the dreaded green coolant.
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Old 12-24-2003, 02:24 AM
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I use OE or OEM parts ONLY! Nothing too good for my benzes.

Some parts are better oem, some parts better oe, you just have to figure out which ones.

Lemforder is great for suspension, better then dealer parts I think.

Oil filters in gas cars I use MANN and Diesel I use Hengst.
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Old 12-24-2003, 03:21 AM
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Want to be confused further?

I pulled the filter listed in the book for my 83 300D off the shelf the other day at autozone to show a friend the uncommon canister type as he'd never seen one. Now, it was either Fram(which I have a storie involving years of use and cutting them up to observe things is anyone wants to hear it) or it was there STP brand, which is made by Champion Lab's, as are MANY odd and end brand filters, including I *think* Bosche(before autozone quit carying them, there suposidly the same filter in the stp box without the black paint).

Anyway, this filter I pulled out and showed to him, you know what was stamped on it, clear as a sunny day?

Made In Germany

Right on top.

I've seen this before(long time VW driver). Sometimes at a chain like autozone, that HAS to stock filters from one manufacturer, if said manufacturer happens to not make a filter they want to stock, because it's not popular enough perhaps, they'll source the filter from somewhere else, label and/or paint it and stick it in there box.

This is just a theory born of several million miles of observation and oil changes mind you.

I know almost for sure Champion Lab's was makeing the Bosche filters AZ sold for a good while, and I'm almost positive the STP they sell now is still a Champion Lab's filter. Draw whatever conclusion you like. I just thought the Made In Germany stamp was interisting.

For the record I've had good service from filters made by CL, reguardless of who's name happens to be on them. However if I could buy Mann of Mahle or the other that was listed(I know those two from VW) localy, I would do so. And I may yet start ordering in bulk after some experimenting.

Knowledge is power, take it for what you will.




edit: Another note I usually make in this discusion, which ties to the above in a way. A given filter will often be of varying design/quality across a group of seperate applications. As in, filter A may be well made and fine and dandy for this Ford, but may well not be well made and fine and dandy for this Chevy.
I've seen first hand evidence of this several times. I've also seen manufacturers quietly change construction techniques without a word, often not to the better. It pay's to be observant.
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Old 12-24-2003, 04:12 AM
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A given filter will often be of varying design/quality across a group of seperate applications. As in, filter A may be well made and fine and dandy for this Ford, but may well not be well made and fine and dandy for this Chevy.
I've seen first hand evidence of this several times. I've also seen manufacturers quietly change construction techniques without a word, often not to the better. It pay's to be observant.
I think this is due to communication/lack of communication between engine manufacturers and part manufacturers. This was what I was referring to with my Mazda B2200. Mazda changed the filter recommendation and design on the oil filter for that engine to one that incorporated two anti-drainback valves. Wix was the only aftermarket filter manufacturer to incorporate this change (Wix 51357), while Fram, Purolator, etc., all kept the obsolete filter design and recommendation (equivalent of a Wix 51356).
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Old 12-24-2003, 04:59 AM
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That is a fine example.


I know for a fact that about 18 months ago a local advance auto magicaly started recieving a purolator filter that was markedly different than the one they had been selling for as long as I've taken notice for the older IDI VW diesel. And you know VW has not changed the filter spec in a lot of years, if ever. I think purolator found a way to cut corners on a low sales volume filter personaly.


It became a hobby of mine, observing filters now and again. Still is to a lesser degree.
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Old 12-24-2003, 12:03 PM
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A note on the "dreaded green coolant" -- it has less corrosion protection than Xerex G-05 or the MB coolant, and the anti-corrosives tend to precipitate out into insoluble complexes in the presence of aluminum. I've seen this personnally -- my sister blew a head gasket a couple years ago on her Volvo 740 Turbo on the highway -- there was corrosion on the head so bad there was almost nothing left at the combustion chamber seal.

I do no know when of if the coolant was ever changed, and there was so little left I couldn't even tell from the odor what condition it was in (no top of being cooked. like the oil), but I'm using Xerex G-05 in all my cars as I change them out.

Very long engine life is an expectation in Europe, as people tend to keep cars much longer over there. MB (and VW, etc) have spent quite a bit of time and money finding ways to reduce or eliminate corrosion problems, the main killer of aluminum rads. I'll take their advice.

You may do as you please.

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