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hs_300e 02-29-2004 10:21 PM

All rear suspension link bolts must be tightened with the rear axle horizontal, i.e. the rear axle must not be hanging down when the suspension link bolts are tightened.

The bushings in the supension links act as torsional springs and they have to be unstressed at ride height i.e. when the vehicle is set down on its wheels.

If the suspension is at its lowermost position (also called full droop position) (for example when the vehicle is lifted off the ground and supported by the four jack points on the chassis and the wheels are hanging down unsupported) when you tighten the bolts on the links, then that becomes its neutral position and when you let the vehicle down on its wheels, the busings get wound up and you have basically loaded the torsion springs. Now the torsion springs (i.e. busings) will try to react the load and go back to their neutral position which would be the full droop condition thereby jacking the car up on the rear.

Also, if the rear suspension link bolts were tightened with the supension in full droop, then all the suspension link bushings will prematurely fail since they are loaded all the time.

If you do a search there are a few articles that discuss how to support the suspension to get the rear axle to be horizontal befor tightening the bolts.

Good luck and keep us posted.

haasman 02-29-2004 11:33 PM

hs-300e

It was posted "All suspension arms/bushing bolts were tighten-up with the weight of the car on the suspension."

This is the mystery as to why the rear is still too high.

BTW, Mercedes measures ride height by the suspension component angle in relation to the body. It may make sense to see if the angles are within spec.

Having seen several German cars produced on assembly lines, they do get bounced several times before the suspension arms are tightened. It could be the case with your car that it needs to have the compenents unbolted slightly, the car jounced up and down multiple times and then rebolted.

Anther thought- did the recommended amount of shock bumper stops get install into the rear shocks when installed. It is not uncommon to get too many rubber bumper stops installed.

Haasman

md21722 03-03-2004 09:11 AM

Jackd,

The only thing I can see is if the mechanic is lying to you about tighting everything with the weight of the wheels on the ground. My car was WAY too high after a mechanic did the suspension rebuild - just like you rear end, tires not centered in wheel well. I did it myself a few months later and it was restored to factory ride height. My dealer has a Beissbarth alignment rack as level meter and the ride height measurements are spot-on to the 124 service manual in the front and with 0.5 mm in the rear. I have factory shocks for the car. When I rebuilt mine, I did not have the subframe on the car. I had it out behind the car. I loaded the subframe with the differential and axles and per the shop manual "axles are horizontal" so I jacked up the wheel carriers and then tightened everything down.

md21722 03-03-2004 09:11 AM

By the way, my wheels appeared off center in the wells when the car was too high. I'd say it looked exactly like your picture!

Jackd 03-04-2004 10:44 PM

UpDate:
I and my mechanic spent over an hour at the local Benz dealer, trying to find what was causing the back end to be so high.
FOUND IT.
The rear shock abosrber supplied by the dealer to my mechanic were not the proper part number required for my car. On the 260E, there are 2 different shock absorber no., depending on the manufacture date. The parts guy (a new guy on the job) took the first number in the catalog.
Without even asking, the dealer replaced the shock absorber on the car (no charge) and offered my mechanic $100. for lost time and trouble. The car is now back at the proper height.
Not all dealers are stealers.
JackD

brewtoo 03-04-2004 11:10 PM

Congratulations. Always feels good when you solve the problem.

And if I may quote myself from the very first response in this thread, "I don't know what it could be EXCEPT the shocks."

;)

manny 03-04-2004 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brewtoo

And if I may quote myself from the very first response in this thread, "I don't know what it could be EXCEPT the shocks."
;)

Your cheque is in the mail. :D

joel 03-05-2004 12:45 AM

manny, money!!

md21722 03-05-2004 02:56 AM

Jackd,

Glad your problem is gone. Question, earlier message had you saying disconnecting the rear shocks dropped it 3/4". How much drop have you noticed since you have the correct shocks in there?

Jackd 03-05-2004 12:31 PM

brewtooL You now can seat at the front of the class.:)
When we first disconnect the rear shocks, the can went down by about 3/4in. But we should have moved the car forward/backward for the suspension to set down to its normal level....which we did not do.
With the new (corect) shocks, the car now sits about 3in. lower than it did with the wrong shocks on.
According the the Benz dealer, it now sits 1/2in lower than the original specs, most likely due to some coil sping sagging (after 14 years and 300K.) wich is totally normal.
It was nice to have a mechanic that really wanted to fix the problem and a dealer that recognized their error (and paid for it)without having to fight a 3rd world war.
JackD

md21722 03-05-2004 12:51 PM

Thanks. When you first said they were disconnected I was looking elsewhere for a problem... going from Bilstein Comforts to dealer shocks on my car dropped ride height about 1/4-3/4". Your're right... Sure it nice to deal with people who want to make things right. I had to deal with a mechanic that installed control arm bushings incorrectly and tightened all links with the wheels hanging... and he wasn't interested in making it right. :mad:

manny 03-05-2004 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by joel
manny, money!!
joel

Please don't use that phrase, sounds like someone demanding alimony payments. :D

Benz300 05-07-2005 06:00 AM

jackd,
when the ride height was corrected, did that also cure the wheel being in the center again ? how was the centered position for the wheel fixed ?
thnx.


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