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11-14-2005, 01:55 AM
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Unless an amazing confluence of a perfect overcast (but not humid or rainy) 70 degree day, stable humidity, and a REALLY dust-free environment takes place (meaning, you didn't do the prep where you paint), and you have a very good compressor and gun or two (think $500-1000 total), I think it's almost impossible to do a really good paint job at home, anyway. But I've done "acceptable" ones in light or metallic colors.
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I may be out of touch, but have been in the autobody business for 22 years and this is the first I have read or heard about this legislation. Most of the trade magazines would have touched on something like this, but haven't heard a word. And in all honesty, I don't care how many of you do your own paint and body work. We will still get our share and keep a 2 to 3 week backlog,,, I don't really need or want any more. By the way, paint in a sealed container will last just about forever. It is the solvents that evaporate once they are introduced into the mix. And I respectfully disagree that laquers are the most durable finishes. The two stage urethene clearcoats are the only way to go IMHO.
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11-14-2005, 09:22 AM
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I don't know if asking your congress-person to step in will do much good, as they gave the EPA the power to do pretty much whatever they wanted, decades ago. Here in the northeast, oil-based house paint was just outlawed, at least in the gallon sizes (They'll still let us have it in quarts in case we need to touch up a windowsill or birdhouse) I could still smuggle in gallons from down south, but supposedly, it's big penalties if they catch me.
With enough regulations, we can all become criminals! Happy Motoring, Mark
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This topic could go in all sorts of directions ... there are a lot of people who feel that automatic weapons and cocaine should be free-market items, too, and have fairly reasonable arguements to back that view. I wasn't trying to open that can of worms ... just saying ' hey, let's not panic'
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11-14-2005, 05:37 PM
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If they start banning this, it will be just yet another product that you get in mexico while you are visiting. *cough cheap R-12*
Paint is expensive enough as it is that you don't just go drop 20 bucks and then poision the environment. WHen I painted my 69 bug it turned out very nice. Made up my own booth and had it ventillated and everything. It was a year long restoration. They should take all the time and money they want to put into this, and instead just go check up on the bigger fish and stop trying to help the bastards make more money. If I have the ability to properly prepare, sand, and shoot a very respectable paint job on any of my cars in my own garage, I should not be required to output that much cash. What warrents such expensive costs? This news has seriously upset me.  I garuntee it won't stop anyone around here from going down to the parts store and just snagging up a gallon, licence or not. What do the buisnesses have to say about this? EDIT: Saw post 33...interesting info...I wonder with how many people this is the case? Last edited by Brandon314159; 11-14-2005 at 08:14 PM.
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Hi Whunter,
Some more thoughts on this: 1) The EPA administrators that are behind this regulation probably have government maintained cars assigned to them. They really aren't concerned about maintenance costs as someone else pays the bills. 2) Since our government has ever mounting debt, I suggest that these administrators do their part and become equal to the constituents they purport to represent; i.e. take away their government sponsored cars, and make them vulnerable to the overpriced service they're legislating. This could be the focus of a grassroots movement amongst us car restorers. I suspect that if we raise a fuss and expect the government types to sacrifice their entitlements, we might get a change of heart. I guarantee that we'll get their attention and it'll be more than the usual lip service. Any thoughts??
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I am in furniture restoration and the regs there are getting worse every year. Sooner or later I won't be able to get lacquer for furniture which brings me to my next question.....Why can I get combustable lacquer but no paint? Only diff is the pigments. Kinda like a seat belt law but you don't have to wear a helmet on your motorcycle.  Cheers, Bill
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11-17-2005, 08:44 AM
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The EPA has done a wonderful job in the past of cleaning up the filth in our industrialized country. 40 years ago pollution was getting out of control. The problem is that they have built an empire of themselves and keep looking for more issues to campaign against. Now that they've won their campaigns they simply need to downsize (a lot!) and maintain their function as policing the policies that presently exist, and not keep making work for themselves!
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Where I live if you are seen/caught taking a quick leak outside in the corner of your back yard you can be arrested and if convicted you will go on the record as a sex offender just like the real world wacko sex offenders ! Having grown up on a farm this puts me at risk.
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11-19-2005, 07:49 PM
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Ever pee on the electric fence?  Cheers, Bill
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11-19-2005, 08:07 PM
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WHAT!!!
Around here if an officer of the law came into my forest of a back yard and told me that I was violating the law by simply taking a leak, I would be rather upset. The dog does it....
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11-19-2005, 08:51 PM
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 Go figure.They way I see it, the EPA should place strict regulations and standards on those who manufacture paint, make all paints environmentally safe, then allow consumers to use as much as they want, when and where they want. But of course, that would be too logical.
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