Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help




Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Regional Forums > Video Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-13-2012, 08:45 PM
whunter's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
Posts: 17,357
This should even piss off EPA supporters...

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-14-2012, 10:58 PM
Dudesky's Avatar
Non Compos Mentis
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Mar a Lago Estate
Posts: 23,048
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/efficiency-and-bluemotion-technologies
__________________


However, Barr said he’s also working on issues that “relate to Hillary Clinton” and are concluding.

Sent from my Mothers basement using an old fashioned keyboard.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-15-2012, 02:21 PM
Dee8go's Avatar
Senor User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 7,190
Ah, it's all starting to make sense now . . .

Of course, I don't know why they can't come up with another way to tax fuel, cars, etc. to get the money to keep up the highways. Congress doesn't seem to have any problem creating more taxes. Wouldn't that be a pisser! instead of a Gas Guzzler tax, they could create a "Fuel Sipper Tax . . . "
__________________
" The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But, unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do."- Warren Buffett

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 25,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 113,000 miles
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-15-2012, 09:45 PM
Yak Yak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,711
A less anti-road-tax/conspiracy theory perspective:

Quote:
The reason that you don’t see more diesels on US roads has to do with economics. Money makes the world go ’round, and as you’d expect, it’s the main reason for our “diesel deficiency”. In the United States, the federal government taxes every gallon of fuel sold. And historically, there’s always been a higher demand for gasoline here. So, our tax system is biased toward gasoline, making it cheaper to buy than diesel.

It’s the exact opposite in Europe. Diesel is cheaper to buy than “petrol”. However, cheaper means $6-7 per gallon, vs. $7-8 for a gallon of gas, so you can see why there’s more diesels over there.

European automakers simply responded to market demands, and came up with a wide range of diesel vehicles, allowing them to produce diesel engines at a lower cost. (For those who want to see what they’re missing right now, or plan a rental for their next European vacation, there are plenty of detailed reviews of current European models.)

In this country, gas is still (relatively) cheap. So a popular choice for an efficient vehicle is the hybrid. You may have noticed just how many hybrid models are available today. They come in all shapes and sizes, from the sporty Honda CR-Z to the massive Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid.



Diesel vehicles, however, still don’t make good business sense, like the hybrid. You’re asking the customer to pay an additional $5-7k for a diesel vehicle, then you’re asking them to fuel it with the most expensive fuel.
From an environmental standpoint, modern diesel engines emit a very low amount of NOx and CO2, and recent advances have made them much more efficient. and they top hybrids in the fact that certain materials used to produce various components on a hybrid have to be mined. When considering a green car, can you imagine the relative environmental impact of that nickel mine needed for the hybrid? Let alone the fact that all those hybrid battery packs may one day wind up in a landfill.

But back to the economics of diesels...
Subaru Diesel Cars: Why You Can’t Buy One in the USA

And the cost of the urea to meet emissions while getting high MPG? http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2010/01/mercedesbenz-gl320-bluetecfeeling-a-bit-adblue-over-spending-a-lot-of-green.html

Quote:
But let’s extrapolate the AdBlue budget. At the current rate and cost of consumption, just the AdBlue itself (without the labor, which would probably be included as part of the routine service) would cost $1,457.80 for 100,000 miles of driving. That’s a lot of money, knocking about a third off of your fuel savings vs. buying a GL450 V8. (You can’t buy a gasoline-powered V6 GL).

So maybe the online guy who claims the "current administration" wants to protect the "tax base" doesn't have his facts quite right. Maybe the manufacturers simply don't want to pay the certification to bring a boutique car that won't sell in adequate numbers to justify the investment in logistics, training, advertising, etc.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-15-2012, 09:51 PM
Yak Yak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 1,711
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dee8go View Post
Ah, it's all starting to make sense now . . .

Of course, I don't know why they can't come up with another way to tax fuel, cars, etc. to get the money to keep up the highways. Congress doesn't seem to have any problem creating more taxes. Wouldn't that be a pisser! instead of a Gas Guzzler tax, they could create a "Fuel Sipper Tax . . . "
There's already discussion about that. Since MPG standards are going up, tax revenue per mile driven is going down. Wear and tear on the roads doesn't decrease though, so it's got to be paid for somehow. Different states are considering variable "registration fees" based on miles driven. This basically makes all roads toll roads. Of course, since it'll be considered a "fee" the politicians can claim they won't raise taxes.

Since most states have balanced budget requirements, I'd look for the states to start this first, not Congress.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-01-2012, 12:34 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Northwest Arkansas
Posts: 10
everybody put on your foil hats
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-01-2012, 08:37 AM
compu_85's Avatar
Waiting for his Model 3..
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Springfield VA
Posts: 5,174
Old thread

FWIW, our 2012 Passat TDI, with an automatic transmission and driving around in DC traffic, is averaging 50MPG! (UK MPG like the guy in the video is talking about). That's just under 42 US MPG. Over the first 10,000 miles it used 2.5 gallons of Urea.

-J
__________________
1991 350SDL. 230,000 miles (new motor @ 150,000).

2013 Fiat 500E. 20,000 miles, 80 miles at a time.
2012 Passat TDI. 95,000 miles. More space, power, and fuel economy than the Benz
2004 Touareg V10 TDI. 150,000 miles. One of 450.
1999 Jetta TDI. 310,000 miles.
1992 Jetta ECOdiesel. 156,000 miles. 1 of 48. Sold.
1991 Jetta ECOdiesel. 430,000 miles. 1 of 700. Sold to VeeDubTDI, totaled in front of our house
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-03-2012, 10:14 AM
Dee8go's Avatar
Senor User
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Arlington, VA
Posts: 7,190
It's very impressive to see what we can come up with when we put our minds to it. There's so much that goes on in Washington that we never hear about, good ideas that weren't liked by the right lobbies . . .
__________________
" The market, like the Lord, helps those who help themselves. But, unlike the Lord, the market does not forgive those who know not what they do."- Warren Buffett

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 25,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 113,000 miles
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2018 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page