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Is there a difference between European W115 and /8 models? I have a line on a couple of late 60's junked Euro spec cars that look like 115's but after poking around the 'net, I'm a little confused.
Dave 1976 300D W115 |
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There are a lot of good posts on this - have you tried a search?
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what are you confused about?
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I would never again have an opportunity to buy a pair of possible roadworthy '69 vintage Benz's so close to home. I just need to get a closer look to decide if I want both of them for a project, or just one for parts. Dave |
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Hi Dave,
There are, as mentioned before, a lot of posts regarding the confusing W114/w115 designations. The rule is as follows, I DARE anyone to argue with me on this one! =) : A W114 has a six-cylinder gasoline engine, anything else is a W115 Now, for your question about the "/8" designation. This is the code for the W114/W115 body style, mostly used in Germany. Daimler-Benz added "/8" to these cars to separate them from their predecessors. Their full names are therefore 200/8, 220/8, 250/8 etc. The code indicates that the models were introduced in 1968. It has nothing to do with the number of cylinders, as they never had more than six cylinders. In Germany, these cars are often referred to as "Strichacht" which simply means slash-eight. This is very useful to know if you have any contacts in Germany. Take it from me, I'm European. =) Oh, and I assure you there is no difference in size between European and US W114/W115's. I think the headlights and bumpers are the only noticeable differences, correct me if I'm wrong. Good luck! /Olof Winterfjord, Sweden |
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After '73, the European W114/W115 lost the vent windows, but gained the ribbed taillights and large side mirrors, same as the USA cars. They kept the small bumpers.
I believe the small bumpers would be a difficult swap to the 5 mph versions because the mounting and trim are different - energy-absorbing struts and filler panels on the 5 mph bumpers, etc... If the installation is similar to those on my Fintail, the Euro headlights should bolt right in, and will add built-in fog lamps to your car, but replacement bulbs may be harder to find. A popular Euro option, not availible on the USA 300D, is the manual transmission, but finding a clutch-flywheel to convert a USA 300D could be a problem. Happy Motoring, Mark
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Olof, i surely don't want to argue with you but i am pretty sure that some 114s had 4 cyl engines in them.. the skinny bumpers were replaced with the bigger ones in 73, i think... it couls also be that 115 had those on them... but Mark gave you the scoop on those..
the tag by the radiator should tell you which model they really are... |
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In the US, the small bumpers were reinforced in '73 and then replaced with the huge rubber & chrome 'battering-rams' in '74.
My reference lists all the 6 cylinder cars as W114 and the 4 and 5 cylinder gas & diesels as W115. During the '70s, there were many variations and alot of overlap and confusion with these models. Many versions and options were not sold in the US. For instance, there were 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder 230 models being produced simultaneously. The W114 6 cylinder 230, from 1968, remained in production and continued to be sold outside North America, after the W115 4 cylinder 230 replaced the W115 220, in the US. Perhaps the 4 cylinder was easier to de-smog, than the single-cam 6. Also, the manual-shift remained an option for most models but was mostly restricted to the 4 cylinder diesels in the US. After the 1973 oil-crunch, even a five-speed was availible on these cars, but it was never offered in the US. Happy Motoring, Mark
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mzsmbs,
We could argue about this until the end of time, but let's just curse MB for a stupid code system instead. Hope I didn't sound too aggressive, that was not my intention. |
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Thanks everyone- this made for an interesting thread anyway. I'm convinced that the lack of the huge U.S. bumpers on the earlier cars, especially Euro spec, play tricks on the eyes- makes them look like a smaller version of the same car. Anyway, the ones I'm looking at are both Euro- I know that because I was able to see the speedo's were in KPH, and the "OIL" guage says "OEL". I have room in my barn for one of them, so if I can get them for a reasonable price, I'll drag one home complete, and get as many good parts as I can afford from the other. Interesting too that one of them has the old style steering wheel with chrome horn ring- this must be a real early example- maybe '68?
Can't wait for the snow to melt so I can get these puppies home- then have fun figuring out what I'm going to do with them! Dave |
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I'm enclosing a pic of my car with the old style steering wheel and the new shifter knob. (I swear it's a W114 ) |
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While the 5 mph bumpers do make them LOOK bigger, for a really long W115 (and in the case of the diesels, the world's most economical limousines), do a search for photos of the stretched long-wheelbase versions that were sold outside the US.
Happy Motoring, Mark
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DrDKW Last edited by Mark DiSilvestro; 03-05-2005 at 05:23 PM. |
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