What? How much?

[STORMINORMAN]

From The OREGONIAN:

"1967 Mercedes 220Se with '68 chrome package, good condition. $9,500"

Am I missing something?

Cheers!

[mercmad6.3]

yep,I just sold one of those,if it was the same as mine,a W111 with the factory fitted W112 chrome (polished alloy ) trim along the sides with W112 fenders and doors.A rare mercedes in a Quirky sort of fashion.Not a big dollar car but unusual all the same.

[Mark DiSilvestro]

Originally Posted by STORMINORMAN

From The OREGONIAN:

"1967 Mercedes 220Se with '68 chrome package, good condition. $9,500"

Am I missing something?

Cheers!

And it's either not a '67 or not a 220SE.

Happy Motoring, Mark

It could be a 1967 250SE with a 220SE badge and/or engine, or it could be a 1965 220SE with a funny title that says it's a 1967, or it could be.....

220SE models had drum brakes in the rear, gernerator, and a two plunger injection pump, and 13 inch wheels.

250SE models had seven main bearings, alternator, six plunger injection pump, 14 inch wheels, four wheel disk brakes, hydro-neumatic(sp) compensator in the swing axle.

[mercmad6.3]

I have it on good authority that Studebaker had a lot of trouble selling Mercedes in the 60's and many finnys were sold on ,long after they were delivered into the US.So it's very likely to have a "funny" but legitimate title ....

Yes, MB models were still considered funny little foreign cars in the '60s, until they brought out the 6.3.

[Mark DiSilvestro]

Actually, by the late '60s, Studebaker was out of the Mercedes import business (and the car business in general) and 'funny little foreign car' was usually applied to the the many small Fiats, Hillmans, Renaults, VW beetles and scads of inexpensive British sportscars imported here in the '50s and '60s. Fintails weren't exactly 'little', except maybe compared to a '59 Cadillac.

Happy Motoring, Mark

[300SDog]

I thought the last 'Baker was built about '64 - the Avanti. And wasnt Studebaker previoiusly bought by Packard? Timelines suggest that 'Baker dealerships became MB dealerships somewhere around 1965.

And what was the last year of the 220SE Coupe? 1967 title on '66 build would not be unusual.

[Mark DiSilvestro]

Studebaker bought Packard in the mid-50s but by the late '50s, the final Packards had become little more than dressed-up Studebakers. In the mid-'60s, plummeting sales finally caused Studebaker to close their Indiana plant.
Through 1966, Studebaker prodution lingered for a while in Canada before ending completely.

While the Avanti was originally a Studebaker product, through the efforts of some investors, limited Avanti production continued intermittently for about 25 years after the demise of Studebaker.

1965 was the last year for the W111 220SE series coupes, convertibles and Fintails. A '67 W111 should be either a 230S Fintail or a 250SE coupe/convertible.
Happy Motoring, Mark

[300SDog]

Thanks, i understand the Avanti is considered the most timeless and beautiful automobile design that's ever been done in the USA.....

[t walgamuth]

i believe the last "packardbaker" a studie dressed up as a packard was built int 58. production in south bend stopped after 64. 65 and 66 studies were built in canada with chebby sixes and v8s.

avanti production resumed later... maybe in the seventies. they had a big stack of studie convertible frames left over and this is what was used on the avanti for the extra bracing to off set the flexible fiberglass body.

the last ones built used camaro frames (see dog's picture).

i always liked the round headlight 63s the best. they sat lower in the front too because the studie motor weighed over 900#. the chebby motor was more like 500#. but they all were pretty nose heavy for my taste. so though i like the idea of an avanti i prob will never own one.

i like my handling balanced. or a bit heavy in the rear.

tom w

[300SDog]

Good eye Tom, thats a 1984 titled Avanti powered by 5.0 GM V-8 according to the link where i pirated the pic....... http://www.bobsclassics.com/sold/84a.htm But the original blueprints and production run were dated '63-'64. Probly the most ahead of its time American production car of all time.

[t walgamuth]

well, the styling was very advanced. but the mechanicals were pretty dated.

the most ahead of its time car for styling was arguably the 53 studie coupe/ hardtop on the 120" wb. the smooth lines and bumper integrated into the body lines werent matched for about 40 years. it still looks great!

the designs of both were by the raymond lowey studios out of belgium. they did a whole lot of studies starting in the thirites. some of the studies from the thirties and forties also look very very sleek. their windshields layed back a lot more than the mainstream chebbies and fords.

they also did a whole lot of good looking european cars including sunbeam tiger/alpine and some of the fifies alfa romeos. after years of looking at them and saying they looked a lot like the great little 53 studie, i, in the last few years, read that they did have styling bloodlines through lowey.

he also did the parker pen and some really fabulous looking steam locomotives.

tom w

[300SDog]

What? It must be the bullet nose Alfa Romeo you're talking about. For my money the '53 Corvette beats the 'Baker from the same year. C'mon alot of those early Studebakers were genuine odd-balls, low-riders and extended trunk space coupes with tiny cabs.

[Mark DiSilvestro]

While the '53 Corvette was a pioneer in it's use of fiberglass and as the first mass-produced postwar American sportscar, the '53 Studebaker Lowey coupe is regarded as a landmark American automotive design. That coupe might have provided enough profit to save Studebaker later on, as there was a huge initial demand for the car, but quality issues, as well as conservative managment decisions to limit coupe production in favor of the more conventional sedans and wagons, resulted in a lost opportunity for Studebaker.

Happy Motoring, Mark