oil filter relocation on a M117?

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hello all, as many of you know, I am in the process of installing a 1989 M117 5.5L V8 in my 1976 240D but I have run into a snag.

the oil filter housing hits the side of my engine bay

anyone have any ideas?

[cth350]

check out the filter of a 380sl or slc. Don't have a picture handy, but the filter points the other way from a sedan. -CTH

[2.5-10]

are the bolt patterns the same on the M116/M117 and you say the 3.8/4.5/5.0 have a downward facing filter assy?

is the actual filter housing any smaller on those?

[Tomguy]

If I were you I'd do a remote located filter, and a modern filter w/drainback valve vs a canister assembly like those engines have.

[2.5-10]

I agree, but how do I get a plate to adapt this engine to a modern filter?

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dash removal on the W115/W114?

[Mike D]

Believe it or not but the easiest way to remove/replace the dash is by removing the windscreen. They are a bugger to work around.

[2.5-10]

unfortunately, I really cant get a hold of a new piece of glass, or a gasket for my car for anywhere near a reasonable sum of money, so... yeah - I'll have to figure out another way :p

Thanks!

[cth350]

50$ for a windshield gasket is a good thing, even twice that.

How many years has the current one been there? Is it hard, cracked and looks ugly? It's also letting water it most likely and if you car hasn't rusted out its firewall, it's only a matter of time.

-CTH

[GGR]

Did you sort out your oil filter problem? As CTH said, you may try an r107 oil filter housing. You will then also have to put an r107 oil pan as otherwise the oil filter housing will not clear. I attach a picture so you can see. I had the opposit problem: I am fitting a r107 5.0 engine in a W111 and had to buy a W126 oil pan and oil filter housing. I can sell the r107 parts to you for the price I bought the W126 parts, ie 140$ + transport, if you want to go that way.

What exhaust manifolds are you using? I have a right euro 500 W126 exhaust manifold if you need it. I also have the r107 engine brackets that may fit straight on the W114 engine mounts if you need them.

[2.5-10]

Originally Posted by GGR

Did you sort out your oil filter problem? As CTH said, you may try an r107 oil filter housing. You will then also have to put an r107 oil pan as otherwise the oil filter housing will not clear. I attach a picture so you can see. I had the opposit problem: I am fitting a r107 5.0 engine in a W111 and had to buy a W126 oil pan and oil filter housing. I can sell the r107 parts to you for the price I bought the W126 parts, ie 140$ + transport, if you want to go that way.

What exhaust manifolds are you using? I have a right euro 500 W126 exhaust manifold if you need it. I also have the r107 engine brackets that may fit straight on the W114 engine mounts if you need them.

I havent yet sorted the issue yet - can you give me detailed measurements of the oil pan opposed to the engine? do I need a different oil pickup, or dipstick? oil level light still work?

the R107 may should be very similar to the W115, so it might indeed mbe a good fit -- can you take a picture of the setup from the front so I can look at the clearances a bit better?

I am using custom made stainless headers -> back as everything else is too restrictive and it wont clear.

can you measure the width of the R107 engine mounts (middle of the bolt hole to the middle of the other)?

I may be interested in your parts if they indeed fit, but Id need to make sure before I spend that kind of $$ on a couple of simply parts

Thanks!
-Erik

[GGR]

I may not be able to take measurements and pictures in the coming few days. Fitting an m117 engine in a W114/115 has already been done several times and I saw some pictures on the net. The best for you is to find a guy who did it and he will tell you straight what you need. That will save you time, problems and money. From what I recall the r107 and W114 and 115 share the same or have a very similar platform. This may help you upgrade brakes for ex (which I have if you need them). You may also condider 560 SL exhaust manifolds. they may clear in your engine bay, fit the engine properly and save you some work. Where are you located? What is the engine you're fitting, and what car was it on originally? I know the 5.0 and 5.6 liters, but not the 5.5... would that be an AMG or something?

[2.5-10]

Originally Posted by GGR

I may not be able to take measurements and pictures in the coming few days. Fitting an m117 engine in a W114/115 has already been done several times and I saw some pictures on the net. The best for you is to find a guy who did it and he will tell you straight what you need. That will save you time, problems and money. From what I recall the r107 and W114 and 115 share the same or have a very similar platform. This may help you upgrade brakes for ex (which I have if you need them). You may also condider 560 SL exhaust manifolds. they may clear in your engine bay, fit the engine properly and save you some work. Where are you located? What is the engine you're fitting, and what car was it on originally? I know the 5.0 and 5.6 liters, but not the 5.5... would that be an AMG or something?

thats not problem take your time

the only record of a Benz V8 in the W115 I can find is a german forum from 1992 and I cant even begin to translate the measely 2 pages of text on it.

brakes are amazingly good already, the manifold on the drivers side needs to be routed forward and down due to steering box clearance.

I am located in Minneapolis, MN

the engine is a 10:1 compression (1989 -> on) 5.5L M117 out of a 560 SEL.
its a common miss conception the '5.6' is a 5.6, its actually 5,546cc and that is 5.5 liters, not 5.6 so I calls it like I sees it.

(Mercedes tradition, the 55AMG models are 5,439cc, the 63AMG models are 6,008cc, etc... its just weird.)

[GGR]

I'm posting a picture of the left side of a 560SL engine. I'm pretty sure the manifold will clear your steering box. I have a pair of 560SL manifolds but I'm keeping them for time being as they clear the W111 engine bay while the original tri Ys would require beating the right chassis rail for clearance. I've not decided which way to go yet. 560SL manifolds come out regularly on eBay. 4.5 manifolds may also fit but the internal diameter is incorrect for the 5.5 litres.

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interesting - it does look like that would clear the steering box, but I'd have to go take a look at the engine in the bay again --

I'll ask my brother if he wants to do 560SL manifolds, or if he still wants to get a more free-flowing option

Im most curious about the filter, and the mounts although I may need a different pan too -- I just cant tell from the pictures how different the front clearance is for the different oil pan... I would also much prefer a dip-stick and oil level sensor that work which the SL pan might screw up