Front Subframe Mount-'66 230 (110.011)

[Carpenterman]

Seasons Greetings, everyone! I'm sitting here while car is in winter repose planning to replace suspension rubbers in the spring. My research has revealed the following:

1) I ordered the engine (m180.945) mounts correctly per the online sales catalogue. Both are the same. But I have read that the left and right mounts are different for the six cylinder 110s. Is this right?

2) Rear engine mount was hard to find so made some calls and it appears that there are only 7 left and after that they are NLA. $270 . It was suggested that I go to a truck parts supplier and see if I can adapt something. Any ideas?

3) The differential mount was available but it was $230 . Guess I'll wait and see if it really needs replacing. Do these commonly go bad?

4) Now for the front subframe mounts. They are apparently NLA. I found a kit (parts # 115-330-18-75/36-04347) from an online supplier listed for my vehicle but it doesn't look anything like the pictures I've found in the service manual and the parts catalogue (see attachments--my model is the same as the 190c, 190Dc in the service manual). The tech guy at the supplier said that the kit would work. I wonder. Anyone have any experience with this kit?

I haven't had the car long and haven't spent much time under it. The motor mounts are definitely collapsed and vibrations are being transmitted to the cab. I haven't checked the subframe, rear engine, or diff mounts yet, but figure it would be good policy to change them (for a reasonable cost). Any experience with these components would be greatly appreciated.

Parts and prices sure are a challenge on this car compared to my '81 300TD.

[cth350]

rubber deteriorates over time. That rear mount is probably old enough to have children. Replace it when you wallet recovers from the current round of repairs. Also do the other bits rear rubber while you're doing that one.

As for the frame mounts, the W115 cars have four squat bushings. Your W110 uses two tall ones. They don't interchange.

-CTH

[wbain5280]

In other words, you have the wrong subframe mounts for your model.

[Carpenterman]

!&$%#@!! So they won't work. The guy told me very clearly over the phone that they would. Now I have to return them and pay the restocking/shipping fee.

[JMela]

You might check w MB's Classic Center. They'll have the definitive word on if a part is NLA or not. They'll also ship the correct parts for your vehicle.

[Squiggle Dog]

I found some available new and I sent you PM.

[Necrosavant]

the correct mount is the one on the left the one on the right is the one you linked me to squiggle

[Carpenterman]

I do believe you are correct, sir. I pulled the cover on the car today and saw that the center mounting bolt head was even with the four hex screws, rather than recessed as in the shop manual drawing of the type on the right in your photo.

I have an email in to Tom Hanson at the Classic Center to help me sort this out.

[Squiggle Dog]

Originally Posted by Necrosavant

the correct mount is the one on the left the one on the right is the one you linked me to squiggle

Weird... it looks similar halfway up, then it looks like it's missing half of it... Interesting that the parts supplier said it would work for the W110 chassis. I hope you guys figure this out before mine go bad!

[Benz Dr.]

There is such a thing as a W110 car called a 230 or 230S, we all know that.
There is also a W114 called a 230. I've only ever seen one so I think they're not all that common.

The sub frame mount kits are readily available for either model. No need to go to the Vlassic Center.

[Carpenterman]

Indeed. Would you be kind enough to post a source, as I've been through seven different online catalogues and have yet to find the part.

Still waiting to hear from the Classic Center. They must be on vacation. Can only leave a voice mail when called.

BTW, I feel a need to post my impression of the catalogues for this old MB chassis. They are highly unreliable as to fit and application.

[Squiggle Dog]

Originally Posted by Carpenterman

Still waiting to hear from the Classic Center. They must be on vacation. Can only leave a voice mail when called.

When I called The Classic Center last week they did say that they would be on vacation until January.

[Benz Dr.]

That's because some guys that work behind parts counters have never seen your car before. Those that are familiar with old cars, usually know the cars they're selling parts for so they're the people you want to talk to. Everyone generally goes by a parts book or a computer. It tells them a certain part number and that's what you get.
Sometimes it's the wrong part even though everything in front of them says differently. I go by part number and physical description. After you look at this stuff long enough or work on it you get to know any part just by looking at it.

The mount kit fits 110, 111, 112, 113, 108 and 109. There is supposed to be a different kit for 113's which lowers the front of the chassis about 1/2 inch but most people use the 108 kit. I'm not even sure if the 113 part number is even available any more.
This is a 108 part number and not a 110 part number. I think the price is about 150 bucks.

On the 114/115 cars the sub frame kit also fits 107's.

PM me if you need any more help.

[Benz Dr.]

OK I just checked this out.
There are two different sub frame mounts used on 110 cars. It depends on what front axle is used. Those with drum brakes use the mount on the left and those with disc brakes use the later 108 style I was referring to.
The early part number in my 220Sb dealers book is 111 330 10 75 and the later one shows 111 330 14 75. This later one has been replaced with the 108 part number.

I don't normally post part numbers but I've never run into this early style sub frame mount so I found it kind of interesting.

[Carpenterman]

Thanks for the detective work. Were those part numbers for the kit or just the mount? My parts catalogue (see scan in original post) lists 110 586 03 33 as the kit for my car.

The service manual (see scan in original post) shows three types of mounts. It appears that the mount for the 230SL is the same as the 220b, 220SB etc. with the exception of a stop plate. My car (230) is the same as the 190c and 190 Dc, which I believe became the 200D when they upgraded in 1966. I was wondering what the difference between the model and the mounts were and I think it is the wheel base, as my car has front discs yet takes the taller mount. Aren't the 220's and 300's longer and lower than the 190's?

Thanks again for your help.