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240D Can't stop the smoke!
I have been chasing a smoking problem my w115 240D and can't seem to stop it. I get a little white mostly grey smoke after idling at a stop light for more than a few seconds. No smoke while idling but it is strong as I pull away through first gear and about half way through second it clears. Interestingly I can rev the car while sitting at the light and get just a little smoke, but as soon as I put the motor under load pulling away I see smoke buffeting off the grill of whoever is behind me. The car otherwise runs great, has outstanding compression(400, 380, 390, 390), pulls strong and starts in relatively cold weather without a problem (I live in San Diego). My MPG's are a little low 23.5 and I can get puffs of black smoke when strongly revving the car in neutral.
What I have checked:
I commented on the Weekend Wrenching post about this to which mercmad6.3 responded: Quote:
SO.... I feel the car is running rich since the smoke occurs strongly under initial acceleration. Possibly it is burning oil but with such high compression figures it seem unlikely to me. How can I lean it out? What would you check next? Sorry for the wall of text, any ideas would be welcomed.
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Make sure the vacuum pump isnt getting oil in the intake, if that checks out okay then move on to the next possible issue, valve stem seals.
Replacing the valve stem seals on a OM616 is very easy, and the parts are rather cheap.
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Interesting idea I might just pursue that.
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let me know if you need any help with that, i did the valve stem seals on my old non turbo OM617.
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I will certainly take you up on that, after reading the procedure over in my FMS, seems a little daunting.
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Give it an Italian tune up and add some transmission fluid to the fuel tank.
Trans fluid has cleaners in it. My 300D gets smokier at start up off the line in winter. BUT I use the trans fluid and 'Italian tune up' and it clears up. Also try Redline diesel additive to help control smoke. Keep it simple. Before you go out of your way and dump a wad of dough ! read... http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/309367-warning-all-diesel-owners.html
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1979 300D 220 K miles 1995 C280 109 K miles 1992 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe 57K miles SOLD ******************** 1979 240D 140Kmiles (bought for parents) *SOLD. SAN FRANCISCO/(*San Diego) 1989 300SE 148 K miles *SOLD |
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Its really easy in my opinion.
pull the injectors out, and the valve cover. rotate the motor until none of the cam lobes are pressing the the rocker arms in that set and remove that set of rockers, then rotate some more and pull that set of rockers out. Start with the 1st cylinder, make sure the piston is at TDC, so when you release the valve it will just rest on top of the cylinder. Remove the adjustment nut and lock nut and them pull the valve spring out. Pry off the old valve stem seal and slide the new one back down in place. Be sure that you feel the new valve stem seal pop into place on the valve guide when you press it on. Then put the valve spring and nuts back on and move to the next valve in that cylinder. then re-assemble all that and do a valve adjustment. Just be sure that your piston is at TDC when you start on another cylinder, you dont wanna drop a valve into the cylinder.
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1985 300TD Turbo Euro-wagon 1979 280CE 225,200 miles 1985 300D Turbo 264,000 miles 1976 240D 190,000 miles 1979 300TD 220,000 GONE but not forgotten 1976 300D 195,300 miles 1983 300D Turbo 175,000 miles http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e485-1-2-1.jpg |
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Changing them is dead easy. if you have the FSM, it will out line the process. 1 quart of oil per 1000 miles is excessive. BTW, the vacuum is the governor for the pump ,it doesn't actuate the rack which is why they will still start but smoke really badly . The rack goes to full fuel but because the throttle plate doesn't open ,there isn't sufficient air..rich running is the result. |
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What was the mileage on the subject engine??
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1979 300D 220 K miles 1995 C280 109 K miles 1992 Cadillac Eldorado Touring Coupe 57K miles SOLD ******************** 1979 240D 140Kmiles (bought for parents) *SOLD. SAN FRANCISCO/(*San Diego) 1989 300SE 148 K miles *SOLD |
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It's a 4 speed manual and a 240D, so pretty much every drive is an Italian tune up.
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What about drip timing the IP? Injection sounds too advanced to me. Smoking and poor MPG would both be symptoms of this.
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1968 230S Automatic, Elfenbein 1975 O309D Executive Westfalia Camper Bus, Blau/ Weiss 1972 280SEL 4,5 Dunkelrot 1966 VW Type 34 "Grosser" Karmann-Ghia 1963 VW 1500 Variant Pearlweiss 1969 VW Variant Automatic, Perugruen 1971 VW Squareback Automatic, Clementine Orange 2001 E320 4Matic Wagon- Our belated welcome to the 21st century! Polar White 1973 280SEL 4,5 Sliding Roof "The Bomb", Dunkelblau. |
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1. you can, however its easier to stick a thin piece of metal thru the pre-chamber so you can tell when the piston is at TDC just to be sure.
2. yes 3. I used my fingers and made sure i felt them all "pop" down over the valve guide 4. nope, all other parts should be okay.
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1985 300TD Turbo Euro-wagon 1979 280CE 225,200 miles 1985 300D Turbo 264,000 miles 1976 240D 190,000 miles 1979 300TD 220,000 GONE but not forgotten 1976 300D 195,300 miles 1983 300D Turbo 175,000 miles http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...e485-1-2-1.jpg |
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What are the two small plastic tubes that came with the new valve seals?
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The sleeves fit over the top of the valve stem and you slide the guide over them to prevent damage .
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