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Old 08-04-2017, 05:07 PM
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Correct spark plugs?

Hi all,

Apologies for posting what seems to be such an easy question to answer, but I can't seem to nail it down...I want to put new spark plugs into my '71 280se 3.5 coupe (Euro model, w116 engine). The plugs I pulled out are Bosch W7DC ( Super RO 969). They have been in there a long time. It's easy enough to find W7DC plugs, but I can't seem to definitively say that they are correct. Could someone please let me know what the correct plugs are for that engine, thanks.

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Old 08-04-2017, 05:41 PM
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It's not that easy to answer. Plugs in owners manual probably no longer exist!

Surprised you can get W7DC plugs. Not so easy it seems in NA. Most these days are the resistor version WR7DC. For non resistor plugs, we can get NGK BP6ES or BP7ES.

This chart suggests W7DC or W6DC Bosch plugs or BP7ES NGK plugs.

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Old 08-04-2017, 06:06 PM
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Thanks Graham,

Those W7DC plugs seem easy enough over here. The chart (which is really helpful, thanks) seems to suggest W5DC (280 typ 108,111) 3.5Ltr. Unless I'm reading it wrong of course. That cross references with the NGK BP7ES. My car is often a sod to find in these charts as it was made for a short time. The w7 is a hotter plug than the w5, not sure how that affects things with todays fuel etc?.. thanks again.

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The 5 in the Bosch number and the 6 in the NGK number represent how "hot" the plugs are. With Bosch, bigger number mean hotter plugs. With NGK bigger number mean colder plug. The Bosch W7DC and the NGK BP6ES are more or less equivalent. And W5DC and BP7ES are equivalent.

Not sure why a 3.5L M116 in a 280 108or111 would need a colder plug than same engine in another chassis. The heat range of the plug has a lot to do with how the car will be driven. Lot's of slow speed riving, then use hotter plug. (This link may be of interest)

If you have the original owners manual, it may have the recommended plugs listed in the car specs. Those plugs will be obsolete, but you may find equivalents using this site:
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Thank you, Graham

For the very helpful chart.
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How do the old plugs look from a heat range perspective? Short of being able to nail down the exact number, the state/read of the current W7DC's could be your guide.

Good luck!!!
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How do the old plugs look from a heat range perspective? Short of being able to nail down the exact number, the state/read of the current W7DC's could be your guide.

Good luck!!!
Fuels are blended differently than they were 40 years ago which can make a difference in how your engine runs. I've been using BP5ES which is just about perfect for older MB engines. They warm up a bit faster and seem not to foul out as easily. In all cases you should look at your plugs after doing a bit of driving to see what color they are. Light brown or grayish tan is what you should look for.

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