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Tomas7 12-22-2017 02:46 PM

1976 280C W114....Brake bleeding.....HELP!!!
 
I have replaced the master cylinder.
I have replaced the rotors.
I have replaced the pads.
I have rebuilt the calipers.
I have replaced the brake booster vacuum hose check valve.

I bleed the brakes starting from the rear passenger, rear driver, front passenger and then front driver's ......here's my issue.....When I do the fronts, I lose pedal pressure.
I cannot keep brake pressure.
It seems that I'm getting air in the system but where?
Everything is tight no leaks.

Could a bad brake booster be the culprit?

Thanks in advance.

Sugar Bear 12-22-2017 03:23 PM

Brake booster...no.
Did you bench bleed the master?
Fill the reservoir slowly and confirm using a light that both halves are full, the rear half fills a lot slower.
If all else fails get an inexpensive pressure bleeder, they work well and are great for flushes.

Good luck!!!

Larry Delor 12-22-2017 03:45 PM

I agree - I would suspect the master cyl. as well.

tyl604 12-22-2017 09:43 PM

Agree. Bench bleed the master cylinder.

optimusprime 12-23-2017 05:11 AM

If your abs as air in side it , then it will be very hard to clear it .

Tomas7 12-23-2017 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by optimusprime (Post 3775128)
If your abs as air in side it , then it will be very hard to clear it .

I apologize, I wasn't clear, this is on my 1976 280C (no ABS).

Idle 12-23-2017 02:56 PM

Not to drop any brand names but I use a vacuum hand pump made by a company called Mighty-Vac. It can not only be used to bleed brakes and master cylinders but is useful for testing all sorts of vacuum related devices.

They make two types: A plastic body and a metal body. I have had better luck with the plastic body types. They just seem to last longer.

And if you ever own a 116 with the Chrysler based auto temp system you will have a lot of vacuum stuff to test.

And you can bleed a master cylinder in a few minutes with one of these things. They come with, or they once did anyway, a plastic cup that catches the brake fluid.

bcbens@embarqma 12-24-2017 04:00 PM

Make sure you have not swapped left and right calipers on the front. They will fit either side. bleed port must be on top.

Idle 12-24-2017 06:47 PM

The simple way to bleed a master cylinder is to attach a piece of plastic hose to the MC bleed valve, fill the MC with brake fluid, and then bend the hose around to where it discharges into the brake fluid tank.

Then slowly pump the brake pedal. When the bubbles stop the air is out of the MC system.

FreddMersaid 12-24-2017 08:34 PM

1. Are any of the calipers mounted upside down ?

If they are then you'll never get them to bleed.

The bleeder valves must be at the top of each caliper.

Tomas7 12-25-2017 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreddMersaid (Post 3775411)
1. Are any of the calipers mounted upside down ?

If they are then you'll never get them to bleed.

The bleeder valves must be at the top of each caliper.


Yes, fronts are upside down.
I'll get on it as soon as my pressure bleeder gets here.

Thank you.

Tomas7 12-25-2017 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcbens@embarqma (Post 3775379)
Make sure you have not swapped left and right calipers on the front. They will fit either side. bleed port must be on top.

Yes, fronts are upside down.
I'll get on it as soon as my pressure bleeder gets here.

Thank you.

FreddMersaid 12-25-2017 08:49 PM

That means you have to swap the left and rights to get the bleeder valve in the correct top position.

As BCBens was saying.

ScooterABC 12-26-2017 11:36 AM

Over the years I have had incredible problems with are being introduced into the braking system at the bleed valves. I mean around the threads, not the center. If it absolutely is not closed when you raise the pedal back up air can come in the bleed valves even if you see nothing coming back in the tubing.

Tomas7 12-29-2017 05:29 PM

Well, I bought a Schwaben pressure bleeder and it is awesome. I bought it for $36. After I installed the calipers correctly, I pressure bled the system using 12psi and the pedal is perfect now.

Thanks guys for all your input and support!


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