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05-22-2004, 09:10 PM
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250C w/280 engine STOCK???
A fellow in my city has a 71 250C for sale. In the ad (see link) he says that it has a 280 engine because "Mercedes ran out of the 250 engines". I've never heard this, but I suppose it could be true. Can any experts on the Forum confirm or deny this interesting claim? I'm just intrigued...
Catrinus 73 280C http://www.geocities.com/rotglatt/250c.html 
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05-22-2004, 10:02 PM
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I think he's confused.
Despite their badging, US 250C's all have 2.8 liter M130 engines, but the folkore is that MB did that to improve the performance because of the higher weight of the coupe and the US emissions requirements.
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Chuck Taylor Falls Church VA '66 200, '66 230SL, '96 SL500. Sold: '81 380SL, '86 300E, '72 250C, '95 C220, 3 '84 280SL's '90 420SEL, '72 280SE, '73 280C, '78 280SE, '70 280SL, '77 450SL, '85 380SL, '87 560SL, '85 380SL, '72 350SL, '96 S500 Coupe
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05-23-2004, 05:06 AM
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the euro 250's came with both - you have to check - 2.5 or 2.8 sohc engines !
the US epc lists the 130 engine for the 250 and the 180 engine for the 230... so - yes - 2.8 is std for the 250...
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05-23-2004, 10:37 AM
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In the middle of the 71 model year, mercedes dropped the M114 engine line in favor of the M130 in their 250 model. They didn't change the badge. They did change the chassis designation.
114.010 -- A 250/8 sedan with M114 (2.5l) 114.011 -- A 250/8 sedan with M130 (2.8l) 114.021 -- A 250/8 sedan with M114 114.023 -- A 250/8 sedan with M130 The 280/8 came along the following year, adding more chrome, wood, sun-roofs, etc. (sales fluff). -CTH
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05-23-2004, 07:13 PM
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Thanks! I had no idea.
It's amazing how many variations of a model MB had, regardless of what the badge said. I think their new nomenclature (C, E and S followed by engine size) makes a whole lot more sense. You wonder what made them wait so long to do it.
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#6
05-23-2004, 07:51 PM
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The difference between sales and engineering.
The market evolved from the 50s were they were flexing their muscles a bit to drop their pre-war line (the 170 models in 1947 were the same cars from 1939) to the pontons and adenaurs. While those cars were popular and tens of thousands were produced, they were developing the early 60s finback models. They were even more popular with something near to 100,000 produced (across all the models). The 108 cars were just a refinement of the finbacks. But the /8 cars, the 114 & 115 models were revolutionary (for mercedes). The represented good basic cars that they could mass produce. All of these things were engineering refinements with sales paying attention and leading the way and plenty of other cars following. My second car was a 1984 pontiac firebird SE. For GM, the SE stood for "Special Edition". But like all the other big & ungainly manufacturers, they were following the mercedes codes. So, benz streamlined it and made it their own yet again. Also, the bean counters have won out over the engineers, with disposable cars and things that just die. Want to hear some horror stories? Check with the UK owners who have the same reliability problems as the US cars, but don't have anything more than a 1 year warrentee. Granted, this is a fast-forward 40 year history shoved into a few paragraphs, but it's the basics of what you're looking for. -CTH
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#7
05-24-2004, 05:42 PM
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Charles,
that last paragraph... could you explain it better... U.S. Spec and U.K. Spec Mercedes cars are the ones with 1 year warranty and reliability issues? You lost me... 
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