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Old 12-23-2006, 07:24 PM
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Old South bought a 30's or 40's Mercedes at an auction. A really nice car.

If you try a search, he's posted pics before.

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Old 12-23-2006, 07:44 PM
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Having an old benz is neat, making it your daily driver is even better.

Who has the oldest daily driver on the board?

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Having an old benz is neat, making it your daily driver is even better.

Who has the oldest daily driver on the board?

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Old 12-23-2006, 08:40 PM
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Turns out OldSouth's car is a 1952 200b

There is a pic on this thread:

Just purchased 1952 220B
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Old 12-23-2006, 09:47 PM
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Hey I recognize this picture.......
It's the famous Haunted Benz kicking around Poland thats been repeatedly listed for sale with no takers at rock bottom price of about $150,000 USD. Said to be completely original with no decay of leather, sheet metal, etc - sort of a "Dorian Gray" of automobiles, rumored to have really bad kharma and nobody wants to get near it. MB refuses to publicly release the original ownership info too.
That's because it would embarrass them. The car was the Staff car of Nazi Luftwaffe Lt. General Martin Fiebig. He was charged with the failed parachute relief effort to the surrounded German 6th Army at Stalingrad in the end of 1942. Gen. Fiebig was turned over to the Government of Yugoslavia as a war criminal for crimes relating to the carpet bombing of Belgrade in May 1941, and was executed by the Yugoslavian government in 1947. Not the sort of history Daimler Chrysler would be particularly happy to impart.

The ebay advertisement for the car showed the original 1941 build plate with the Nazi Adler (eagle) stamped on it. It further stated the car was abandoned with the collpase of the front in Stalingrad in December 1942, and taken as war booty by the Soviets, and later converted to run on the inferior Russian gasoline, and run for 535,000 kms (about 280,000 muiles) by a Russian farmer, and to the next owner after he died. First seen on ebay in March 2006.
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Old 12-24-2006, 01:33 PM
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Roadster version [ 198.042] did not appear until 1957.
and then that would make it a gull wing coupe. both versions are very highly respected colletibles. both in good shape will embarrass many a newer sports car and both were the supercars of their day. the roadsters are generally regarded as a little better for driving because of more benign handling and disc brakes on the newest versions.

i would give my left cojone for either one. (what the hell i have plenty of kids already).

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Old 12-25-2006, 09:57 PM
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240Dog has a good eye. I DID download the pic from eBay, and it WAS a Nazi staff officer's car.

The report that was given above is about what I remember from the eBay bid description (except for the bad gas part).

When I come across a truly magnificent car, I copy the pics for future drooling. I copied some pics that I posted on the thread "My wife bought me a 600..." that sold for something like $40 grand. Check it out. As I remember, it had been owned by a Japanese corporation, and had only about 15k on it. And I thought I was wisely spending $40,000 when I got my two grad degrees...
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Old 12-26-2006, 03:05 PM
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Oldest daily driver?

Originally Posted by Dan Rotigel
Having an old benz is neat, making it your daily driver is even better.
Who has the oldest daily driver on the board?
cheers,
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My 1963 220 Seb cabriolet could be considered a daily driver as I drive it daily whenever the roads are free of snow. Driving it a lot keeps everything working properly. Never get tired of people waving, questioning or giving me a thumbs up. My dog loves the breeze.
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Old 12-26-2006, 11:03 PM
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Well, though certainly not the oldest, (And I am drooling over some of those previous pics) I have a 1964 190D, I came across 4 yrs ago. My first Benz, and what got me into them, though I still have yet to be even close to driving it. I just like the styling of it (with exception to that odd instrument cluster that reminds me of a Chevy Citation) but it just gives it character. It is a serious project car, last on the road in 89 so far as I know. The interior is in need of total overhaul, but complete (minus rearview mirror which finally collapsed from sun rot and shattered on the dashboard ). The body needs cosmetics, but is solid with very very little rust, I've only found one spot under the battery tray in the apron, easy fix. It was parked due to a broken timing chain. I was going to post a pic but the only one I have exceeds the size limit. My daily driver is the 80 240D I later picked up and stuffed a 617 into to fix a tossed rod issue.
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Old 12-27-2006, 12:50 AM
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Mustang man,
Presuming you use a Windows PC, you can resize your pic in Microsoft Photo Editor (as well as a few other neat tricks) by going to Image and then to Resize.

A lot of the image uploaders also give the option of uploading pics as thumbnails, which also helps

When I drive with my friends, they often point out Benzes that they see to make sure I see them. A lot of times they're newer models. Well, I don't really give a hoot about the newer Benzes, but I sure like to see the older ones now.

Hope you can post a pic to this thread now so's I can see your 64.
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Old 12-27-2006, 04:28 AM
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That's because it would embarrass them. The car was the Staff car of Nazi Luftwaffe Lt. General Martin Fiebig. He was charged with the failed parachute relief effort to the surrounded German 6th Army at Stalingrad in the end of 1942. Gen. Fiebig was turned over to the Government of Yugoslavia as a war criminal for crimes relating to the carpet bombing of Belgrade in May 1941, and was executed by the Yugoslavian government in 1947. Not the sort of history Daimler Chrysler would be particularly happy to impart.

The ebay advertisement for the car showed the original 1941 build plate with the Nazi Adler (eagle) stamped on it. It further stated the car was abandoned with the collpase of the front in Stalingrad in December 1942, and taken as war booty by the Soviets, and later converted to run on the inferior Russian gasoline, and run for 535,000 kms (about 280,000 muiles) by a Russian farmer, and to the next owner after he died. First seen on ebay in March 2006.
Thanks Jim, reading what you said I've wondered how the car got to Stalingrad - did a little research and came up with the following:

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Luftwaffe General Martin Fiebig, commanding VIII Flieger Korps, sounded a warning about the looming disaster. In a pointed message to Paulus's chief of staff, Gen. Arthur Schmidt, he warned that the Luftwaffe would be unable to adequately supply 6th Army from the air. Unknown to everyone concerned, this is exactly what Hitler was proposing to do.

At this point, there exists a great deal of confusion as to where the responsibility lies for the ill-advised attempt to sustain 6th Army from the air. Historians almost universally blame Luftwaffe chief Hermann Goering for the fiasco. In fact, Hitler does not seem to have even consulted Goering until after the pocket had closed on Nov.23, 1942. Hitler's initial decision to order Paulus to hold at Stalingrad left no other alternative but to attempt an airlift.
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/wwii/stalingrad/uranus.aspx
It sounds to me like Fiebig's staff message to the German 6th was delivered by hand. History of these vehicles means alot. Still I've heard stories of there being a "Haunted Benz" somewhere is Eastern Europe that everybody is scared to own.
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:46 AM
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Fate of Hitler's fleet in Berlin at end of the war?

One of Herman Goering's Mercedes cabrios (1940 model) from the Air Ministry on Wilhelmstrasse in Berlin is up for sale at www.mirbach.de If the provenance could be proven, it would be an interesting piece of history.

There were several Mercedes of Hitler's in the Reichskanzlei garage (der Fuhrer-Garage") at Hermann Goringstrasse 16, at the fall of Berlin. Presumably some of them were 770K saloons. It was reported that for about a week some of them were seen being driven on the streets off Berlin by Russian officers, in the first week of May 1945, and then the cars were never seen again. Presumably taken back to Russia as beute (war booty) but none of them have surfaced since then, that I am aware of.
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Thanks for that input, usually my camera software makes thumbnails automatically so I never had to think about it, but this pic was transferred from my old computer and it lost the thumbnail, I was able to get it cropped down to just the car so it can be posted. This pic was taken just after it's arrival home on my trailer. It still looks exactly the same.
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Old 12-27-2006, 11:47 PM
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except for the color it is just like my 62 190c that i had 30 years ago.

it was a little sweetheart!

loved the big white steering wheel and the turn signal light on the fender! so taxi like!

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Old 12-28-2006, 01:09 AM
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I've heard stories of there being a "Haunted Benz" somewhere is Eastern Europe that everybody is scared to own.
You may alert the presses that I am willing to solve this dilemma by taking that old warbenz in and giving it a good home.

I am a deeply religious person, and so I utterly despise facsism. Few people really know what fascsism is. One philosopher defined it as "the practical and violent resistance to transcendence." Whereas the Judeo-Christian tradition fixates upon a transcendent moral personal God, Nazi fascism rejected all three.

One needs to realize that fascism (including the Islamic fascism we see today) utterly rejects the concept of individual identity. They believe that all reality is simply socially constructed. We are merely "herd animals" that are products of societal conditioning. And thus, by controlling and shaping society, the fascists believed they could shape human nature and human civilization and usher in new heights of greatness. The glorious Third Reich. Or the idyllic paradise on earth of an Islamic theocracy under Sharia law.

Why did the Nazis hate the Jews? It wasn't merely racism (there are plenty of other non-Aryan races to hate, after all). The Nazis hated the Jews because, in the Nazi mind, the Jews gave the world a transcendent moral God, and that was anathema to them. Nazis believed such transcendence alienated human beings from nature and from one another. The fascists wanted to restore the ancient, primitive, pre-Christian pagan consciousness. They wanted to return to the pagan spirituality in which they believed people experienced unity with nature, with each other, and with their most primitive impulses. The fascists said that by bringing us this poisonous view of a transcendent moral God, the Jews were responsible for all the ills of Western culture. Fascism was therefore ultimately a revolt against the Judeo-Christian worldview.

The problem was that when they threw away the notion of individual identity (man as a soul created in a personal God's image) there was no such thing as individual freedom, and therefore no limits upon the power of the state. When they threw off the yoke of transcendent morality, anything became possible for them. And when they threw off Judeo-Christian transcendence in favor of returning to primitive paganism, they also returned to barbarism.

... And today we are seeing a whole new onset of the barbarity of fascism as history begins to repeat itself...

Oops! I stumbled climbing off my soapbox.

In any event, I hate Nazism, but I love old cars. The Nazis managed to come up with some of the most hateful, demonic, and depraved ideas that ever emerged from the warped mind of fallen man, but I don't think any of that extended to their cars. And that '41 340 is a magnificent machine. I will gladly let it haunt my garage!



P.S. Mustang man, thanks for the pic of your 64 fintail. That is my birth year, and it is always cool to see what stuff looked like back then.

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