You need to examine a wider selection of modern era engines. I have looked at hundreds and designed systems for them. Piston directed oil squirters are quite common at present and by a variety of means. Mercedes simply chose a more expensive means of carrying the oil to where its needed. Superior? Yes, I think so. Talk to some engineers employed by OEMs. You'll find that there are all sorts of great systems designed for windage control etc. that never make it past accounting.


Ok, however I am not sure how you feel this furthers your position? It is actually a counter-example. I've got a Jag straight six engine sitting outside waiting for a pattern. Did the V12 a few years back. Owned a XJ6 Series I and XJ12 Series I myself.


Aha. I see what you are saying. Yes, that is exactly why I add drainage vents in or to the sides wherever possible. By the way, the basic design I made for the Mercedes 2.3 Cosworth is also used by Dodge in the Third Gen Viper V10 (2003-2006). It is also cited in a recent patent by GM. Also, Cosworth Engineering recently came up with an offset to my scraper for the Mitsubishi Evo engines. So, I am not sure if you trust the engineering of a firm that Mercedes trusted to tune its own engines (??).


Well, yes, having a deep sump is common knowledge as a way to reduce parasitic oil losses. Porsche also solved its V8 issues with its modern designs via a dry sump solution.


Look, I am sorry -- you apparently do not realize that Mercedes does in fact use scrapers. Floor mounted scrapers. Just like Porsche. Just like in the Ford FE.


Post comment: It is very clear that a vast amount of existing scraper technology is unrecognized in modern engine designs. I guess you have to do the background study to be able to abstract from what you see.

Where in the crankcase would you propose effectively locating a scraper in an inverted V12 with a dry sump scavenge port in either valve cover? Remember that the absence of a device does not necessarily mean that it was not considered.

what is that lovely beast? -CTH

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Sorry, should have mentioned they are pics of various examples of the D-B 60x series. Powered the BF109G, for example. Very famous series.

Edit: Do you need the bell housing pattern?

Might cause a bit of understeer... But of course the provision for timing the automatic cannons will make up for that in the daily commute...

Here's some light reading...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Monster_(dragster)

that link would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Monster_%28car%29
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Nice memory popped into my head. I had an old friend in his 80s, Clester -- went by "Doyle", who passed away about 13 years ago. He was part Native American and grew up in Oklahoma (later moved during the Dust Bowl of the 1930s to California -- a so-called Okie). Great mechanic with a yard full of old cars -- and dozens of cats and warrens full of rabbits running underneath the cars.

He was telling me how during the Depression they would use bacon rind as a replacement for the babbit in Model T engines. Worked fairly well he said.

Really miss him.

Ok, end of argument -- Mercedes does, in fact, use crank scrapers even in its diesel engines. Just like in its gasoline engines. Just like Porsche does. Just like BMW does. Just like virtually every OEM on the planet Earth. Etc., etc. etc. Yikes. And this is on an engine from 22 (twentytwo) years ago folks -- this should not have been a big mystery or controversy. At all.

Snake oil?!?! Learn to recognize extant technology!!!!

603:
It even has cutouts for the rods...


603 above the gas version:

And there are a series of ridges inside the 380sl oil pan I am cleaning. They're straight fore and aft, and do a nice job keeping the alloy stiff at the same time they collect oil bits. -CTH

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