1979 300d *price?* - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

dunl · #16 05-12-2006, 07:19 PM

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dunl - maybe y'all (that's Virginian for youse guys) need to not throw things away quite as casually - last time I was out to visit a friend in Edmonton and attend Stampede in Cowtown, my 85 Ford F150 pickemup truck blew a manifold gasket on its 300ci/4.9L straight six - when I went to the Ford dealer in Red Deer, the parts guy informed me that they didn't have it, wouldn't get it, and furthermore, that ("sniff"), "up here, that thing would be off in the corner of a field, somewhere!"
However, he did refer me to an engine rebuilder in town, who fortunately DID stock it, and I was able to return across continent with considerably less "chuffing"...

Well, now that's different. The only good place for a Ford would be in the corner of a field (next, of course, to being buried BELOW said corner of field.)

In case you didn't notice, probably 3 out of 4 vehicles up here are pick up trucks.

Jim B. · #17 05-12-2006, 08:31 PM

Gold is an unusual color for these, but they look *very* nice in that color.
They are so solid, you'll feel like you are driving a gold brick!!

$2000 cdn. is a fair price, especially considering the rarity of those cars up there, and the prices may rise with the price of fuel...

I hope there is no rust on yours (the W123 series do have that issue sometimes)

and, if I lived that far north with one, like you do, I would think about getting an engine block heater in time for winter. To go along with the snow tires!!

Jim B.

Tristar1959 · #18 05-12-2006, 09:03 PM

dunl,

Sounds as though lack of parts isn't the ONLY reason the Red Deer Ford dealership has probs...if many of your neighbors share your views on Ferds.

Maybe that's why the Mercury dealers had 'em badge them as Mercury's, back whenever...
Also was amused to see what I thought was an old 50's Dodge like the one we had in India, [only to find that it was a "Fargo"] just over the line in Sask, after I'd visited (Why Not) Minot AFB and Fargo (loved the movie).

In all seriousness, it was a joy to travel through Alberta and BC, both - and the warm welcome and reception we (Middle North) Americans were publicly given at Calgary Stampede was a distinct extra pleasure (me, Tom Selleck, Don Johnson, and some hundred other riff-raff). Gave truth to the idea that folks N and S of any part of that peaceful border have more in common with each other than they usually do with folks in other regions of either...in this case, a healthy regard for the beneficial aspects of horse and cow manure and dust in the air. Love it!

Heck, when the Canadian border officers noticed the "Montreal" birthplace in my U.S. Passport, they even gave me a citizenship application packet, just in case I wanted to change my (father's) mind...

Stan

unkl300d · #19 05-12-2006, 09:13 PM

Klima is just the German name for the heating/air system. It is actually an American designed unit. GM?
anyway do a search of archives for more info.

still a good car.

Tristar1959 · #20 05-12-2006, 09:39 PM

Nandopsis (and unkl300d) -

Check with Grandpa and/or look for a 115V AC plug/cord hanging around out in your grille area...can't believe there'd be one up there without a block heater...in the Maritimes, many if not most gassers also have them.

Oh, I DO hope that the "Klima" is not another name for the ACC-II (Chrysler designed) climate control system...I thought only the American versions of the earlier non-240D W123's had that...

Five vertical buttons and a compressor on/off switch? or Five horizontal buttons, etc?

Or better still...Two heater temp knobs, a blower speed knob, some dash levers and a green A/C Temp knob.....?

By the way, GUYS, on same subject (sort of), that local 74(?) 450SLC parts car, which is a 107.024 12 004xxx, has heat and divertor levers on either side of the middle console, fan switch, etc - lookin' very like my W114 setup except can't identify A-C controls; while another 107.024 450SLC on their lot has the ACC-II like my daughter's 78 W123 280CE. That second one also has "federal" bumpers (a post-75?)

Was that first parts one a non-US model, perhaps? Or had Crysler not yet conclusively proved by 1974 that it was a silly idea, thence to sell to Daimler-Benz?

Stan

unkl300d · #21 05-13-2006, 01:34 AM

"Klima" is not another name for the ACC-II (Chrysler designed) climate control system... yeah that is the very same one.

Five vertical buttons and a compressor on/off switch? or Five horizontal buttons, etc?
yeah, vertical buttons, one AC on/off switch and the wheel for selecting the temp.

I believe most 240D models had the manual climate control (levers/dials) and therefore did not have the KLIMA AC servo as did the 300D up to 1980.

Tristar1959 · #22 05-13-2006, 01:40 PM

Nandopsis,

As the now fairly-accomplished restorer and maintainer of my daughter's ACC-II Climate Control system in her 78 280CE, if you do in fact have the five vertical button, A-C compressor switch, Temp dial system, you may be in for a treat. I don't mind it as much now, since I rebuilt and fixed it, but they have a nasty history and it wasn't fun to troubleshoot. Hers is hanging in there, so far (knock on burl paneling), and they seem to like being exercised, so not necessarily bad news. The heart of the matter is a complex servomotor-driven electrical, vacuum, and coolant system (that black plastic-topped thingie down in the R side wheelwell, next to the spring tower with the 12 vacuum lines, 12 wires, and five coolant connections).

One good initial preservation technique is to have good fresh coolant in the system, providing both adequate freeze protection and valve lubrication.

There are several solutions to problems with them-
a. spend lots of time and money and effort keeping them original and operating.
b. replacing with an aftermarket system (click on Unwired Tools servo link, at top of page, and peruse their installation manual)
c. set the car on fire and walk away from it.

Before you start having problems, do a "climate control" or "ACC-II" search for the many threads which have addressed them.
If you care to, there are two online resources which will help you get to know it -
Operation theory, from Chrysler (early 70's, sold to Daimler-Benz, which is why some call it "Chrysler's Revenge"):
http://imperialclub.com/Repair/Lit/Master/281/cover.htm (Don't be thrown by the different-appearing panel - it's [Ed: almost] the same moshinerry under the belt...)

and the CD troubleshooting and operation factory procedures:
http://skinnerbox.steaky.org/Service/W123/Index/617Nindex.html
[click on part 83, climate control, and start opening up procedures in Section 2 (83-600 onward) to read, if you can open Adobe .pdf's]

May you never actually NEED any of this...

PM me if you ever have problems not addressed in the links or threads - I'm more familiar than I ever wanted to be with the system and might be able to save you lots of wasted time and effort (there ARE some vacuum and electrical meter checks which can be done by accessing certain points "remotely", without removing the entire centre console and dash undersides...)

Stan

P.S. The servomotor and A/C compressor clutch fuses are #5 and #10, but the hidden stealth fuse is the one for the system's brain, the amplifier, and that's an inline 2A found in the middle of your relay box, under the black cover, up on top of your driver's side spring tower...

t walgamuth · #23 05-13-2006, 04:05 PM

re acc.

i have never seen a 240 with automatic ac controls. i dont think they were built that way. probably there is one somewhere that some micreant converted, though.

i talked to one fellow who had put a 300 into a 240 and he proudly told me he converted the ac to the automatic controls. needless to say i quickly disengaged myself from the conversation and the thought of buying that car.

tom w

Tristar1959 · #24 05-13-2006, 04:32 PM

Tom - concur fully!

I'm going to strip everything manual out of the W123 240D I'm dismembering, and I'm going to keep it all for the day I get so pissed off with daughter's ACC-II (or she moves away from Dad's cheap labor) that I'll convert it.
But despite the temptation, I'll probably not convert the electric windows back to manual...it's bad enough already when she's fiddling with her CD player controls or cellphone...

As for the vacuum CLS, well, when they fail, you already HAVE a manual system:

Hmmmm - I wonder if the manual sunroof in my junker W112 300SE/c would yield parts for a W123 conversion...I mean, when you yank the bar forward on a decoupled electric, it works, right? (But she'd probably want the headliner in place....picky, picky, picky!)

Stan