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dream come true - my 1972 280SEL
I've dreamed of owning one of these since I left The Netherlands as a kid, and every time I saw my cousins MBZ's (this generation)...now I have one and I'm so happy It doesn't even run it's not even in my garage or driveway
Went straight to a shop where I'm getting a second opinion. The seller told me that his shop told him its either the timing chain or a valve...I believe one damaged another. I think its asking too much for someone mechanically inclined (like the seller) to be mistaken and find out it was a simple fix (like a fuel pump) but I doubt it. Body his very minimal rust spots but chrome, trim and body is sharp and the interior is amazing condition. I plan to rebuild this thing part by part as need and finances dictate but first thing first. I'm already getting estimates on an engine rebuild (what I'm anticipating)...just wondering what you guys think of my options. What type of rebuilds are available? What are some changes I could make? Some upgrades from 1972 standards? Cost is a big factor for me. |
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Congratulations!
Did you get the 4.5 liter V8? The engines are very solid. Usually the car is junk and the engine is still strong. You might find a whole junky car with a good engine for $500.00. I know where there is one here in Texas.
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1962 220Sb ~ The Emerald Bullet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx6tN1W48_o 1957 Ponton 220S 2001 S600 Daily Driver The Universe is Abundant ~ Life is GOOD!http://www.classiccarclock.com |
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That's the one, but I'm in California. A cup of coffee costs that much or seems like it at times.
I wouldn't mind putting a used engine in there but the problem with that is: 1. its probably sat a while 2. not knowing its history I was leaning towards a rebuild because I want to keep this car and be buried in it and also because it will be my daily driver (not necessarily in that order). The one thing I did notice while it was on the flatbed...it seemed to have two mufflers for both exhaust pipes...eventually I'll probably get dual exhaust with single mufflers, or straight pipes as they are and bypass mufflers (keeping the original small single side tip). (I dont think the first one was a catalytic converter because its a 72)
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Congratulations on your acquisition. You will love these lovely timeless cars ,sedan or coupe .
mak |
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If I remember right, you are looking at two sets of mufflers and two sets of resonators. Leave them on the car; they are supposed to be there.
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I have the same car... It is a Classic. Please post some pictures!
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1962 220Sb ~ The Emerald Bullet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx6tN1W48_o 1957 Ponton 220S 2001 S600 Daily Driver The Universe is Abundant ~ Life is GOOD!http://www.classiccarclock.com |
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Congrats man!! I talk about my "Wilma" that way. You now own one of my favorite Mercedes models. Pictures?
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Regarding upgrades, my suggestion is always to stay as true to the original as possible, the exception being retractable seatbelts, which i intend on installing in the front of my 220 when it gets on the road.
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PCHbreeze, there are many thing to do before thinking about an engine rebuild. Like compression check, valve stem seals, new cam chain or a valve job, Like they say these engines are bulletproof. Start simple with the motor work, you may already have a good one.
They are expensive to rebuild. I have two cars with that motor one is in for the valve job. other is a complete rebuild. reply for advice. |
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Jive Turkey brings up a good point... Your car has to have a name.
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Thanks everyone.
First, here's the best photo I have so far. I had it towed away straight to a shop for a proper diagnosis. I was concerned when I saw oil spilling as it was being loaded to the flatbed (the car was on an incline)...sounds like something wasn't re-assembled properly. The worst part about that is that I (and other potential buyers) cranked the engine a few times. I'm hoping the previous owner, a do-it yourselfer, didn't cause more damage while trying to repair it. I'm hoping for a fuel pump or a timing chain (with nothing else), but the seller had a very impressive garage, so I doubt it'll be an easy (or affordable) fix. I've named most other cars and motorcycles I've owned. It's kinda like seeing that one girl so hot, that you can barely imagine what riding her would be like...but you haven't even kissed her! I have heard the engine crank but that's it. I think it's right that I at least put a few miles on her before I get emotionally attached, though the passions of my soul have already been lit. The buzz of the 'key in ignition' and 'vfffp' of the power windows were like the soft, feminine, inviting, demanding voice a precious woman you want to worship and thrash at the same time. I'm just thinking out-loud regarding the exhaust but it did look a bit awkwardly low (like most older cars with exhaust pipes) but it was definitely two cans (total) for both pipes. I'll do some more research but I definitely want to help that engine breathe if I can. I also want to see if there might be a hanger loose somewhere (eventually) but trust me when I say that's far from a priority right now. I'll be more than happy to get this thing up and running without major engine work. Everything else will be a progressive steps in preventative maintenance and upgrades. By the way, I don't know any of you specifically, but I'm that guy who rides a sportbike or pickup or other car and spends too much time looking at YOUR car...I'm the guy who was driving faster than you, then chose to slow down to look at YOUR car and I probably gave you a nod or wave. I didn't do much homework on these w108/109's but I always go deep into whatever my ride is and I've certainly loved these for most of my life. bwostosh, you're absolutely right. If I were more patient, I would use google.com and my own tools to go step by step in trouble-shooting it but first I have a bit of stress in my life as it is now and second, the guy I bought it from was a gear-head and if what he said is true, much more of one than I am. I believe he was much more an able technician, so I chose to spare myself and exercise my AAA membership to have it taken to a shop I believe I can trust. It's my wish to be able to contribute to this forum as much as possible with what little expertise I have, and share my experiences with any DIY advise already posted. This WILL be my daily driver...no garage/trailer queen here. By the way, I watched"Octopussy" with my girlfriend to give her a visual of what this gem is capable of
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After some thought..."Miss Juliana"
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Congrats on reaching a name sir!! And welcome to PeachParts!
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Miss Juliana (named after the former Queen of Netherlands) had the timing chain slip off (I thought they just broke ) and some valves were damaged on one side of the engine.
Time to find either a replacement engine or (most likely) a shop that can rebuild it!
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Loving owner of 1972 280 SEL 4.5 aka "Miss Juliana"
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A top end rebuild, Ive heard the bottom is bulletproof. Ive got the 72 280 se, mine has 2 cans as well on the exhaust, this should be stock either resonator or presilencer not sure. I wouldn't change it unless it was rusted out. Leave it to stock. After the rebuild get a pertronix ignition/ coil $145. best money I spent so far. Fuel filter, tune up , rubber etc. If you need a fuel pump, sit down before you get a price. Get familiar with the junk yard down the road. Love my 4.5 , Congrats.
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