I think it may be more than disc brakes. The early sub frame is different than the later one. The picture shown in the first post is for the later type. The early type doesn't have the curved horns welded to the front of the main assembly and has a metal strap with a bushing at the end where it mounts to the sub frame.

The 4 cylinder cars were 110 and the 6 cylinder cars were 111 or 112 if memory serves me correctly.

Yea, that's why this 230 of mine is kind of an orphan. They shoehorned the m180 six cylinder into the 110 short nose frame. Mine has the horns on the body rails with a strap or spring connection to the subframe. There is an eccentric in the bracket that sets the caster.

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1981 300TD 310k miles
1970 280sel 172k miles
1966 230 Fintail 162k miles

"Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?"

The original sub-frame mounting on my 220s /62 (drum brakes front) was the one on the left , i replaced it with a 65 model with disc brakes , the mounting fitted was on the right ,all of my cars have the mounts similar to one on the right.

mak
220s 62
230 66
280s 70
300SEL 3.5 71

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So you're saying that the one on the right fits (at least on the 230) even though the one on the left is original to the car? It appears to be shorter. Did it lower the front of the car?

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1981 300TD 310k miles
1970 280sel 172k miles
1966 230 Fintail 162k miles

"Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?"

My parts book is from ' 65 or somewhere around that time frame. The part numbers are often changed, sometimes several times over the years. I've seen where 50 year old numbers are still being used so it goes both ways.

I imagine that the numbers I have are just for the sub frame mount but whatever you get today is likely going to be a kit. On the 113 kit the top plates are not included and you either have to get them or save your old ones.
I think that rebuild kits which may be different than suspension kits have a 586 in the part number to indicate that it's a rebuild kit and not just one part.

the mount on the right when installed on my 200d w110 makes the intake hit my hood but you may not have the same problem on your 230 my 200d has an intake sitting above the valve cover.

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1962 220S
1966 200 Diesel
1981 300TD Wagon
1984 500SL
1989 560SEC Euro

The 4-cylinder 190/190Dc/200/200d cars were the W110 body, but the 6-cylinder 230 was also a W110, slightly modifed in the front to fit in the 6-cylinder. The 230S was the W111 body.

As were the 111 coupes. I wonder why they called the 230 a 110 when it was really more like a 111?

Sorry to come in late on this. I've checked EPCnet Online and every 110 version of 230 shows the repair kit as 110 330 00 75. Do you subscribe to EPCnet? It is free and has current info. The rear engine mount is the transmission mount and you should be able to find it for around $30. Did the mount on the left in the picture actually come out of the car you are working on?

My hard copy parts catalogue shows 110 586 03 33 as the part number for the kit. My computer does not have enough memory so I can't use the EPC.

In all the literature I have on this car, they call it a rear engine mount. On my '81, they call it a transmission mount. If you have a source for this part for my particular car at that particular price, I would love to hear of it. My current understanding is that there are only 7 left and they cost $280.

In the picture, the mount on the left came out of Necrosavant's car. I believe that is also the mount for mine.

Still waiting to hear from the Classic Center to clear up some of this confusion.

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1981 300TD 310k miles
1970 280sel 172k miles
1966 230 Fintail 162k miles

"Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?"

If I were you I would not order a part based on a picture of one that came out of a different car. Tha Classic Center can certainly determine the correct part, but there is no need to pay their price for a part that is available cheaper elsewhere. You are right that the "rear engine mount" is what most people call a transmission mount. If there are only seven left on the planet then the two new ones in my garage just got way more valuable. I suspect that the seven left are probably the steel crossmember and not the rubber mount, but I could be wrong. You might have a really weird car, but these parts should be easy to find and cheap. Changing the sub-frame mounts is a pretty involved job and requires care and a good alignment afterwards. You will also want to change the swing arm link bushings, which can only be sourced from Mercedes and are ridiculously expensive (about $17 ea. and you need eight). You might want to call Jamey Key at MB of Winston Salem (800 489-6537). He is really good on the older cars and can ship to you, often free. His prices are way better the the Classic Center. Good luck.

I can't acess the EPC from where I live. I think you need a zip code which I don't have.

use part number #120 223 04 12 for transmission mount ..i used it on my 200d with no problems (cost me 17$ for aftermarket)...the 260$ mount is actually a mount kit with little rubber washers,bolts,and dust sleeve thats not needed

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1962 220S
1966 200 Diesel
1981 300TD Wagon
1984 500SL
1989 560SEC Euro

Thanks for the tip! I ran the part # on a couple of parts sites and sure enough it's there and cheap. The FSM shows an additional rubber spacer in the assembly at the top. Did you just reuse this? Do the bellows deteriorate or are they also normally reusable?

Have you done the differential mount and is there a good source for these? While I'm on the subject of rubber parts, can a flex disc from a w123 be substituted or is it unique to this chassis?

With regard to the subframe mount (and assuming I can't find or don't want to pay for the tall one), I'm wondering if I can just shim the shorter mount at the top metal base to raise the body enough to clear the engine. If so, what would you estimate the difference in height between the two mounts to be?

Still waiting on the Classic Center to respond to my email. I guess I'll call tomorrow.

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1981 300TD 310k miles
1970 280sel 172k miles
1966 230 Fintail 162k miles

"Where are we going? And why am I in this hand basket?"

The rear trans mount is the same part as a 190SL motor mount. The MB price more than doubled in the past year. Thank's Vlassic Center.......