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1971 280SE head compatibility
I have been searching for an answer to these question, but have not been able to find a definite answer.
I have a 1971 280SE, with a straight six engine. I have the following vin, engine stamp, and head stamp numbers.
I was told that I cannot use an "early" head with a late model block. I was also told that there are 2 types of late model heads. Question: 1. How do I differentiate between early and late models using the cylinder head stamp #? I have found a few engines for sale but with a different cylinder head stamp than mine so did not know if I could use them. I found the following engines for sale but not sure how to differentiate between early and late. Can someone please help me figure this out? 1st engine: Head 130 016 3301 280 SE/A 130 980 1207 0009 2nd engine: Head 130 016 08 07 280 SE/A 130 980 120 34179 2. Will an engine from an early model 280SE engine fit and work with a late model transmission? or are there fitment issues? Will any of the engines above work with mine? Last edited by Shadesh; 01-10-2011 at 12:09 AM. |
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You can swap a whole M130E engine w/o trouble. There is an early/late transmission cut-over where the drive shaft coupling changed. Also, you'll find a 1968 motor has a different camshaft pedestal (1mm height difference).
As for the head swap, go by the head gasket cut-off. Going by a quick google search, the early one is > Head Gasket Set, 280SE M130.980-10 up to 012487 M130.980-12 up to 026281 The late one is > Head Gasket Set, 280SE M130.980-10 from 012488 M130.980-12 from 026282 BTW, check the compression ratio of the head (the e+number on the line under the part number). All things being equal, you might want an e9.5 rather than an e8.0. HTH -CTH |
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Use the chart on this page to determine which head you can use:
http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Engine/CylinderHead |
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The head and block is different on the late model 280SE. I got that wrong once and put a late model head gasket in an early engine. It ran OK for about a half hour and then the oil pan filled up with water after the head gasket burned through.
This is why I always start a fresh rebuild using only water as a coolant until I'm sure everything is OK. If you have external leaks water will clean up or evaporate and if you have an internal leak it won't ruin you're engine. |
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One easy way to tell is where the thermo time switch sits. On the early version it sits in a metal housing that's scewed on the side of the head. This housing sits on the spark plug side right near number 2 and 3 spark plug.
The later version doesn't have this housing and the thermo time switch is screwed directly into the cylinder head right above number 5 and 6 spark plug. |
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Sadesh, Are these engine numbers? 130 980 1207 0009 & 130 980 120 34179 ?
If so both of your engine numbers are greater than serial # 026282, so you have late ones. HTH -CTH |
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1971 280SE head compatibility
Correct, these are engine numbers. .. since these are late ones, I can probably just buy the whole engine but just use the head. My block was still in good shape.
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Or just use the used engine until it needs a rebuild. -CTH
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