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Idle · #1 01-21-2015, 02:51 PM

Anyone have a source for a PDF or whatever of the dash layout of a 1967 W111?

The dash in question is from a W111 250 Coupe so the instruments are different from the normal W111 but the instruments I can figure out. There is what appears to be an emergency flasher switch to the left of the steering wheel and then there is to the right of the ignition key a rheostat. What does this rheostat operate? The brightness of the dash lights?

This is a Euro car if that makes any difference.

I am not totally ignorant of the W111, but this is the first coupe I have ever had to deal with. The owner asked me to help him figure this stuff out so I just posted here since I know the questions to ask.

I can't get a photo out of him as I am doing all of this by phone.

cth350 · #2 01-21-2015, 10:25 PM

you need an owner's manual picture, which has pretty much all the options in place. -CTH

Baxterdown · #3 01-21-2015, 10:32 PM

I found two images that might help. Do you see the switch in question in these images?

JPMOSE · #4 01-22-2015, 11:08 AM

The dashboard light rheostat is in the center cluster, underneath the letters "VDO". The switch you are referring to is either the speaker fader, or antenna control. The antenna control is typically spring loaded, as it acts like a switch. The fourth possibility is the fog light switch, which typically pulls out (but may rotate like a rheostat)....but this is typically left of the steering wheel near the headlight switch. I believe the sunroof switch isn't round in shape, nor is the rear seat light switch.

Idle · #5 01-22-2015, 11:57 AM

I figured out the switch to the left of the steering wheel is the switch for the rear fog light. Or perhaps the switch for the fog lights both front and rear.

The rotating knob between the ignition key and the radio is not in the photos but it is where the interior light switch is in the photo of the coupe dashboard.

The dash light dimmer is clearly the knob at the bottom of the center instrument cluster (Duh). I just never thought of a knob for the speaker faders as I have never seen one but from looking at the construction of the switch I can see where it being a speaker fader sounds correct. The knob is also different in that it has a flat spot on one side of it that is factory and not just wear. Perhaps this is the 'center', or it helps you keep up with just where you like the fade to be?

More comments are always welcome, but I think you guys have helped me figure it out.

Thanks!

JPMOSE · #6 01-22-2015, 02:43 PM

Fader sounds most logical, as the sunroof and antenna would have to be spring loaded (in order to keep it from running continuously). Since mine is a Cabriolet, I don't have a fader as rear speakers were not available.

JeffreyNMemphis · #7 01-22-2015, 05:31 PM

Does this help?

Idle · #8 01-24-2015, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JPMOSE

Fader sounds most logical, as the sunroof and antenna would have to be spring loaded (in order to keep it from running continuously). Since mine is a Cabriolet, I don't have a fader as rear speakers were not available.

I got another look at the car and apparently you could get a rear speaker as an option, perhaps a dealer added option. There is a speaker grill in the back package tray, on the left side of the car right under the window.

Most of these I have seen with two speakers have them mounted in the kick panels.

Idle · #9 01-24-2015, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffreyNMemphis

Does this help?

Number 17 is the switch. Apparently it is the switch for the vent blowers. I guess it is a sort of variable speed blower motor switch.

The switch is wired into the main loom that is under the ignition lock.

Thanks for the photo. I am going to try and find an owners manual so I can do this thing right, but for now the photo you posted is a very big help.

JeffreyNMemphis · #10 01-24-2015, 01:07 PM

On my W111 the blower motor switch is flat on one spot like you describe, so it is probably made that way. Your switch with flat spot is most likely a potentiometer(rheostat) Flat spot would serve as an index when reaching for switch while driving. This type of switch would be used for dash light brightness or fan speed or could also be fader/balance.

Can you upload a photo of your dash?

Idle · #11 01-24-2015, 04:05 PM

No, because the car is not here. Maybe later.

But it is laid out just like the one in the photo.

JPMOSE · #12 01-25-2015, 10:49 AM

Idle...speakers in the kick panel were only installed if the radio was stereo. In 1967, the car was likely fitted with an AM/FM Mono unit (like I have in my 250SL, built in July 1967).

Idle · #13 01-26-2015, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JPMOSE

Idle...speakers in the kick panel were only installed if the radio was stereo. In 1967, the car was likely fitted with an AM/FM Mono unit (like I have in my 250SL, built in July 1967).

You are right about that. I don't think Stereo was available until 1968 from Becker. I did have a 1967 Olds once with a stereo radio so it was around, just not from Becker.

This car currently does not have a radio. But I do remember from the times that having a rear speaker with a fader was considered a big deal.

JPMOSE · #14 01-27-2015, 10:17 AM

Yes it was!! My parents 1966 Lincoln Continental had dual rear speakers and a reverb unit!! I thought I was hot stuff riding around in it when I was 9 year old!! lol

Builder · #15 03-03-2015, 09:43 PM

Idle,

The rheostat with the flat side knob you're describing is the variable fan switch. The factory rear speaker fader switch is mounted below the radio into a bracket that's riveted to the lower steel dash frame. The fog light switch can be in different locations depending on year model, and even vary sometimes on the same model depending on whether it was dealer installed.