The W123 14" dish type aluminum wheels are much lighter that the bundt alloys. Also the 190SL group can supply a larger diameter front sway bar.

Looks like fun!

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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1964 220SE Rally (La Carrera Panamericana someday)
1966 Unimog 404s (Swedish Army)
1969 300SEL 6.3 (sold)
1969 280SL Pagoda
1973 280SEL 4.5
1974 450SLC FIA Rally car (standard trans)
1982 300D turbo (winter driver)
1986 560SEC
1989 Unimog FLU419 (US Army)
1991 300TE (wife)
2002 SLK 32 AMG (350 hp)

Thought you might like to see some pictures I took of the 190SL racer belonging to the MB Classic Center. The 300SL and 190SL were used in the "The Classic
Adelaide Rally" in Australia some years back. How do I attach photos on this site??

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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1964 220SE Rally (La Carrera Panamericana someday)
1966 Unimog 404s (Swedish Army)
1969 300SEL 6.3 (sold)
1969 280SL Pagoda
1973 280SEL 4.5
1974 450SLC FIA Rally car (standard trans)
1982 300D turbo (winter driver)
1986 560SEC
1989 Unimog FLU419 (US Army)
1991 300TE (wife)
2002 SLK 32 AMG (350 hp)

Click on Go advanced below....then click on browse, then click on your picture source in your computer to open it....click on the picture you wish to attach and click on open, then upload and wait while it uploads. It will be attached in your message body.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Thanks for the help,

Looks like you have a lot of projects ! Here are the pics...............

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Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
1964 220SE Rally (La Carrera Panamericana someday)
1966 Unimog 404s (Swedish Army)
1969 300SEL 6.3 (sold)
1969 280SL Pagoda
1973 280SEL 4.5
1974 450SLC FIA Rally car (standard trans)
1982 300D turbo (winter driver)
1986 560SEC
1989 Unimog FLU419 (US Army)
1991 300TE (wife)
2002 SLK 32 AMG (350 hp)

Great pics ja17! And fantastic feedback everyone!

We have the 190SL on stands and can now take a really good look at the entire car, where improvements can be made both mechanically and visually plus the immediate priority is to make it a safe and reliable driver. Once we have that baseline, we can focus on the major items. Down the road, we'd like to modify the roll hoop to a single hoop over the driver rather than the current full-width hoop and perhaps source a more applicable wheel set.

So up on stands she goes!




Under the hood, we had some clearance issues and did not care for the K&N look, so today we modified a set of Porsche Weber air filters to work on the side draft Webers.

Here's a before shot of the K&Ns:






Missing hardware, yikes!




And here are the new filters ready to go:

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Now the clearance issue is solved and the overall look is vastly improved, much cleaner looking:





Much more to come so subscribe to this thread for the latest updates!

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Nice looking car ! .

These were more Sports Cars than Race Cars , fun o drive but easily out speeded by others with larger engines .

That's not what Sports Cars are all about .

Looking forward to seeing the progress .

BTW : no need to safety wire those air cleaner wing nuts ~ just do like they did back in the day : cut one ear off and they CANNOT vibrate off no matter how much you buzz / shake the engine .

Simple , eh ? .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

For those of you who don't think these cars are competitive...

The most recent Past President of the 190SL Group raced his 190SLS regularly. He had no problem with any of the 113 cars, or the 107s. Regularly beat them. Even the 300SLs, he was competitive with. You can criticize the car as underpowered. But set up right, on a course with lots of curves, you might be surprised.

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Bill Streep
San Antonio
'57 190SL (toy)
'08 S5500 (mine)
'09 CLK550 (wife's)
'06 SLK350 (daughter's)
'11 GLK350 (daughter's)
'03 CLK310 (spare)

The 190sl were pieces of crap when they were new, and they are still pieces of crap.

HAHAHA! That piece of crap, as you call it, in my garage is the single best financial investment I've ever made. Several have sold over $300,000, and a decent driver is over $100,000.

For a 50s car, they were pretty well advanced.

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Bill Streep
San Antonio
'57 190SL (toy)
'08 S5500 (mine)
'09 CLK550 (wife's)
'06 SLK350 (daughter's)
'11 GLK350 (daughter's)
'03 CLK310 (spare)

Wow! Isn't she lovely......

I have driven a few 190SL's and one in reasonable condition is a great drive. perhaps those who criticise them have only ever read about them or driven a tired one.
I am curious though,the front king pins are the same as the W111 etc chassis cars but you can't fit the spindles to the 190 SL because the arms are too long . If they are fitted ,the turning circle is reduced and the handling goes out the door.
Have the 280 Spindle arms been shortened? .

In Australia,Mercedes Dealer BEA, have the only remaining W127 220SE SL ever built .It was one of three built to see if a Fuel injected smaller sports car was viable. As the tests showed,it was too light in the rear (fixed by adding sand bags....) and because the pagoda design was already completed there it was decided not to try and market them. And,it would have been pointless building the older style car along side the. new pagoda.
The M127 was removed and a 190 engine installed. The car was sold through the Australian dealer net work. It wasn't until almost 50 years later that someone questioned the Chassis number (W127) and the odd looking firewall .
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I'm sure we are all rather curious as to your knowledge base and experience that allows you to make such a broad negative comment. Please educate us.

Was that Steve Marx? He is the president of the Gullwing club. He raced both a Gullwing and a 190SL. I believe he sold it, though.

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Paul S.

2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

I bought my for W201 190E 2.3-16 from the owner of Sportsleicht. He had a 190SL painted silver, windshield removed and replaced with two small Porsche Speedster type windscreens, and best of all, the heart of the car was a 23-16 engines.

Totally bad ass.

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Charles Cleaver
1975 350SE + 1992 300CE-24 SportLine 5-speed + 2002 SLK320 6-speed + 1974 W114 280
1986 190E 2.3-16 (Decomm rear self-leveling suspension; Euro-code headlamps) sold
2004 Audi S4 6-spd - sold
1969 (2) and 1980 Porsche 911T, S, and SC - alas gone
1987 300SDL - Graf Spee; Euro-code headlamps; 16-inch 8-hole wheels - sold
1994 E420+(E500 suspension/E-code headlamps/PAD chip) sold
1968 250SE 4-speed (NICE car) - long gone
1962 220S 4-speed/column mount - long gone