Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Vintage Mercedes Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-27-2016, 11:14 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Muskego,Wi.
Posts: 15
Setting dwell 1974 450sel

Iam putting new points,plugs,cap,rotor and wires on my 450sel and I would like to know the proper way of setting the dwell. I have a dwell/tach meter but the last time I used it was on a 1969 Ford 302 and that cap had a window so I was able to set it while the engine was running. Thanks for any advice.

__________________
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they take care of their ride.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-28-2016, 08:26 AM
gmog220d's Avatar
There is Life After VW!
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Posts: 957
I had a '67 Chevy Impala with a 283 for a few years, and I really liked being able to set dwell with the engine running. Ain't so with the German stuff I've messed with!

You need to use a feeler gauge to set the points gap to spec, then run the engine to see where dwell ends up. If it needs to be fine tuned you have to pull the cap off, make the adjustment, and then run it to check dwell again. Kind of a PITA.

If the dwell angle is low the points need to be closer. If dwell is high they need to be opened up some. To minimize the guessing game you could use feeler gauges that are a little thinner/thicker than spec for this fine tuning.
__________________
- Greg -
1973 220D, The Prodigal Benz
1974 240D
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-28-2016, 02:20 PM
Graham's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 4,395
Quote:
Originally Posted by gmog220d View Post
You need to use a feeler gauge to set the points gap to spec, then run the engine to see where dwell ends up. If it needs to be fine tuned you have to pull the cap off, make the adjustment, and then run it to check dwell again. Kind of a PITA.

If the dwell angle is low the points need to be closer. If dwell is high they need to be opened up some. To minimize the guessing game you could use feeler gauges that are a little thinner/thicker than spec for this fine tuning.
On the M117 engine, I have never seen a spec for the points gap. Just for dwell. I have used 0.014" as a starting gap, and it almost always provided a dwell within spec. (30-34deg at idle. Otherwise, it is trial and error. Choose a gap, close everything up, check dwell with meter, take everything apart, adjust points gap, reassemble and so on.

I have installed a Pertronix 1885 (just as a points replacement) on my 4.5L M117. No more adjusting points! Been in service for years.

It's been a while for me, but are the points adjustments not opposite what is stated in above quote? Reduce points gap to increase dwell angle ; increase gap to lower dwell angle. In other words, "As you increase the gap,the dwell angle goes down and vice-versa)"

But really, for under $100, forget points and install a Pertronix. Later if the MB switchgear ever fails, the Pert can be rewired to replace that too. If you need wiring diagrams, see this link. Use model 1885 rather than 91885 because latter does not like copper core ignition wires.
__________________
Graham
85 300D,72 350SL, 98 E320, Outback 2.5
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-28-2016, 02:58 PM
gmog220d's Avatar
There is Life After VW!
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
Posts: 957
Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham View Post

It's been a while for me, but are the points adjustments not opposite what is stated in above quote? Reduce points gap to increase dwell angle ; increase gap to lower dwell angle. In other words, "As you increase the gap,the dwell angle goes down and vice-versa)"
We're saying the same thing, but in a different way. If shooting for 30 degrees and you read 20, you'd need to reduce the points gap (If the dwell angle is low the points need to be closer = Reduce points gap to increase dwell angle). If you read 40 the gap would need to be increased (If dwell is high they need to be opened up some = increase gap to lower dwell angle). My language wasn't the best.

I too like Pertronix and used it all my old VWs with great success.
__________________
- Greg -
1973 220D, The Prodigal Benz
1974 240D

Last edited by gmog220d; 07-28-2016 at 03:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-28-2016, 08:46 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Alhambra California
Posts: 3,129
You can adjust the dwell by cranking the engine and adjusting the points at the same time with the distributor cap removed. Tighten the points hold down screw after adjusting the dwell to the correct setting and check again.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-28-2016, 10:41 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Muskego,Wi.
Posts: 15
I've done that in the past but removed the plugs. I take I don't have to do that step. Thanks
__________________
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they take care of their ride.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-28-2016, 11:25 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Alhambra California
Posts: 3,129
Correct, there is no need to remove the spark plugs
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:11 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Muskego,Wi.
Posts: 15
Job is done thanks for the help. One note I set the gap to .04 with a feeler gauge cranked the engine and the dwell was 30 degrees. Put the cap on and ran the car the dwell was 32 degrees right where it should be.

__________________
You can tell a lot about a person by the way they take care of their ride.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page