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Old 08-11-2010, 02:27 AM
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New tires..old pressure?

I recently put 4 new tires on my 380 sl and I was wondering if the cold inflation should be what is stated on the new tires or should I keep them at the posted psi on my gas door? The posted says 32 in back and 36 in front. The new tires say 40 psi. I compromised and put them all at 36.
I put the exact same size tires on btw..
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Old 08-11-2010, 09:36 AM
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The gas door is accurate for the same size tires, sidewall pressure is for max. rated load at max. rated speed.

More pressure usually doesn't hurt anything within the limits of the tire (sidewall max)other than ride quality, can help fuel mileage slightly. Handlling could suffer if the difference between axles isn't maintained, the pressures on the fuel flap probably keep the car at a mild understeer.
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Panzer, surprised to hear that the fuel filler door calls for a higher inflation pressure for the front tires. Any MB automobile that I have encountered calls for a higher rear tire pressure than the front tires. As long as you don't exceed the maximim inflation pressure indicated on the tire you should be fine. Realize that using the maximum pressure may cause the middle of the tread to wear faster than the edges. I typically run our tires about 4psi higher than the fuel filler door figures.
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Old 08-13-2010, 01:50 PM
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FERDMAN YOU ARE RIGHT, I STAND CORRECTED!

I had my numbers inverted from front to back!! (On the post not on the car) The car has some extra play in the steering so I will leave it at 36, the last thing is need is oversteering! ZOOOOOM!
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The gas door is accurate for the same size tires, sidewall pressure is for max. rated load at max. rated speed.
Max load capacity is achieved at 36psi for a standard load tire and at 42psi for an extra load tire not at the maximum air pressure branded on the sidewall. Adding more pressure beyond 36/42 will change the ride quality but, not the load capacity.
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Old 08-15-2010, 09:37 PM
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My tires say 130psi, I guess Michelin doesn't know, I'll forward your information to Michelin's Engineers LOL.
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:50 PM
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I've found that with every car I own, the vehicle MFG's recommended tire pressure is the way to go for best ride quality and performance. In fact, its become an annoyance of mine to have to adjust (lower) tire pressure everytime one of the cars goes in for service.
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Annoying to have to adjust the air pressure because so many service techs think that the sidewall pressure is what should be in the tires, ...
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My tires say 130psi, I guess Michelin doesn't know, I'll forward your information to Michelin's Engineers LOL.

and they will agree with me ...
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Old 08-18-2010, 11:58 PM
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Thank you everyone for the informative posts! I shall adjust my tire pressure to the recommended amount on my fuel door! THANKS! now for that pesky O2 sensor, and hot start problem...at least it will drive and handle well, WHEN I get it re-started and IF I don't run outta gas....still love this car!
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Umm, I've worked with Michelin Engineers, they don't. You might try calling and talking to an Engineer, there is a reason that they mold the max. tire pressure on the sidewall and max. load & speed capacity, and it's not so that tire salesmen can challenge it.

There is a load and pressure chart available from Michelin for each tire.
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Umm, I've worked with Michelin Engineers, they don't. You might try calling and talking to an Engineer, there is a reason that they mold the max. tire pressure on the sidewall and max. load & speed capacity, and it's not so that tire salesmen can challenge it.

There is a load and pressure chart available from Michelin for each tire.

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Since most P-Metric passenger tires are manufactured in the Standard Load Ranges, they will have nothing branded on their sidewalls or may be branded Standard Load and identified by an SL in their descriptions, as in P235/75R-15 SL.

Extra Load P-Metric tires will be branded Extra Load, and identified by an XL in their descriptions, as in P235/75R-15 XL.

Light Load P-Metric tires will be branded Light Load, and identified by an LL in their descriptions, as in P285/35R-19 LL.

NOTE: Only P-Metric sized tires with 45-series aspect ratios or lower may be manufactured in a Light Load configuration. Light Load tires are designed to carry less weight than Standard Load tires and have been developed for specific applications (typically when relatively large tire sizes are used as Original Equipment (O.E.) on relatively small cars or for Track & Competition DOT tires used for racing applications).

P-Metric Passenger Vehicle Tires
Load Ranges / Abbreviated / Max Load Pressure

Light Load / LL / 35 psi (240 kPa)*
Standard Load / Nothing or SL / 35 psi (240 kPa)*
Extra Load / XL / 41 psi (280 kPa)*

*In an effort to internationally harmonize load ratings and ranges, recently introduced and future LL, SL and XL P-Metric sizes will use ISO/Euro-metric maximum load pressures of 36 or 42 psi

Standard Euro-Metric tires will have nothing branded on their sidewalls, while Extra Load/Reinforced Euro-Metric tires will be branded as such and identified by an XL or RF in their descriptions, as in 305/50R20 XL or 305/50R20 RF.

Euro-Metric Passenger Vehicle Tires

Load Ranges / Abbreviated / Max Load Pressure
Standard Load / Nothing or SL / 36 psi (250 kPa)**
Extra Load / RF or XL / 42 psi (290 kPa)**

**Reinforced and Extra Load nomenclature may be used interchangeably to designate heavy-duty tires

but light truck tires or LT-Metric do have higher load capacities and pressures
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and here you will see that load/inflation tables for p-metric and Euro Metric standard load tires do not exceed 36 psi because that is where a tire reaches it's maximum capacity

example:
Michelin item number 54947 is a 225/60-16 Michelin Energy MXV4 plus with a 102H service description and a maximum inflation pressure of 50 psi and a maximum load capacity of 1874 lbs.

As the load/ inflation table clearly shows the 102 index reaches maximum capacity at 36 psi so, putting 50 psi is not going to raise the tires maximum load capacity

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I don't see anything there from the manufacturer, only from Tire Rack, and I don't see anything that supports your statement that the tire pressure on the sidewall is not correct.

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Max load capacity is achieved at 36psi for a standard load tire and at 42psi for an extra load tire not at the maximum air pressure branded on the sidewall. Adding more pressure beyond 36/42 will change the ride quality but, not the load capacity.
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Old 08-19-2010, 12:18 PM
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I don't see anything there from the manufacturer, only from Tire Rack, and I don't see anything that supports your statement that the tire pressure on the sidewall is not correct.
right click the table to see the properties and you will find

http://www.falkentire.com/images/standard_table.gif

which obviously is directly from a tire manufacturer. All tire compnaies i.e. Michelin, Bridgestone, Yokohama, Goodyear, Pirelli, etc. all use the EXACT same tables

reread what I posted and you will see I never said that the max tire pressure branded on the sidewall is incorrect

here is a graph illustrating tire load capacity vs. air pressure (also from a tire manufacturer)

as it clearly shows a tire reaches maximum load capacity well before maximum inflation pressure

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