i have a 1917 s&w in the .45 acp with full and half moon clips.the full moon clips are the ultimate speed loader.and you don't have to worry about stray brass,it's locked into the clip.they are remaking the 1917 but at over 1000 dollars i'll stick with my old reliable.it has the smoothest action of any gun i have ever shot.they sure knew how to make em back then.