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Lets have a WVO argument
Ive seen alot of people saying different things
Some say it doesnt hurt the engine, other say its horrible for an engine And then others say further research is needed Well, what do we know for sure? Include any facts, descriptions of what happens and pictures As well as any ways to make it the least damaging and still using it straight Prove to me one way or the other |
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Nobody's bothered to bench test a WVO engine because there are no standards to adhere to like ASTM 9751 for biodiesel etc. The food grade oils have so many different things dumped into it that the quality varies widely. Additionally no engine condition is the same so there are huge performance variables there.
You have a ton of issues: Wvo has higher viscosity than #2 diesel at the same temperature so it doesn't spray well and causes poor combustion due to improper fuel atomization causing eventual coking of the internal combustion area parts translating into excessive wear and premature engine failure (cough Lovecrap). You can heat it up to 175F which is about the same viscosity as #2 which is better but then again you have food particulates and glycerin residues in the oil which then wear all of the oil lubricated engine surfaces. |
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It's simple. If you want biofuel, buy it from a fuel station that sells B2-B100.
WVO was made to cook food. SVO is made to cook food. Biodiesel is made to burn in an engine. Pretty simple huh? |
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I dont see the point in paying for biodiesel when its not very readily available and it sometimes costs more than diesel
Whats a good mixture ratio, diesel/wvo, to not ruin a diesel engine while still saving a considerable amount of money half and half? |
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And I suppose going out on your free time, collecting, transporting, filtering, treating, storing, and filling your vehicle by hand with nasty used grease is considered "readily available"? |
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If they collected road tax for using WVO, I'd pay it or stop using WVO. I don't think there's enough usage to warrant the costs of collection so they don't bother. Is it legal? I don't see cars getting pulled over for flaunting WVO and home brewed biodiesel through numerous decals. What's illegal or at least regulated is transporting and storing WVO. But it's regulated for commercial or institutional quantities. No government agency will sell me a license to transport 5 gallons of WVO a week. Quote:
Consider the other costs: - more frequent oil changes - more frequent fuel filter changes - collection, filtering and de-watering Probably adds up to $3/gal :/ Sixto 87 300D |
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Not to mention the glycerin in SVO/WVO slowly whittling away at your injection system's internal parts.
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I make min wage and spend more than 3/5 of my income on gas. Im looking to lower that, not increase it
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Run 50/50, change the oil regularly, and thin the mixture when it gets colder. |
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Im just looking for ways to lower my gas cost each month without ruining the engine of whatever Im driving
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It is more than the cost of fuel.
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Other used cars like Toyota Corolla, Ford Crown Victoria, Honda Civic,Chevy Caprice, Mercury Grand Marquis, old pre '77 Dodge Dart/Plymouth Valiant, Subaru Outback and others like those might be worth a look, if total overall running costs are a concern, to you. Mercedes cars offer a LOT more than those in terms of prestige, safety, durability and quality, it is true, but not necessarily in terms of dollar per mile running economy. Mercedes is after all, a luxury car, even if new ones these days are marketed on how "affordable" they are. If you can honestly afford to buy and fuel a used Mercedes, and are looking for a one that is easy on fuel, probably a 1971-1973 220D or a 1977-1985 240 D in good shape is a good bet, but they won't be very fast.
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Old 220 Gas Mercedes
This one that just showed up today is another kind of alternative that could work, and old gasser MB that would sip fuel, with a modest cost to acquire (hopefully) so long as the rust isn't terminal
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=197021
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The California Department of Food and Agriculture, Meat and Poultry Inspection Branch, WILL sell you a license to transport "inedible kitchen grease". They sold me one, and did not specify any minimum or maximum quantity. Liability insurance is required, as are record keeping and evidence that the containers can be secured in the vehicle. As for the destination of the oil, I wrote "private residence for personal use".
There is more information at Biodiesel.infopop. Steve |
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Honestly though, why are you settling for minimum wage? Take the initiative to go out and find a good job. It's very easy to find a job that pays $14+ an hour, you just have to go get it. Minimum wage is an insult for anyone to work for, it's not worth the time. |
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