I can throw the theory at it, because the theory is sound.

You will never find a double-blind study of these devices. If you install a device on your car and get better fuel mileage, it is likely because you think it should work and you press just a bit lighter with your right foot.

You have to get better mileage without knowing whether the device is installed. Actually, that by itself is not blind enough. If you are curious about double-blind studies, you can find information quite easily. Human perception is just too malleable to be effective without controls.

Sorry, I'm not going to try it. I already know it won't work, so it isn't worth the effort to make the parts. And I am for sure not going to enrich the snake-oil salesmen.

indeed....


Please don't use that deadly Dihydrogen Monoxide!

You need to read this. Be aware!

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

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That one person was joking with you, you won't find anyone that seriously claims it works with significant MPG gains.

Lots of people say intake Tornadoes and throttle body spacers gave a big increase in power/mpg too, that does not mean they actually do.

There are acually people on ebay selling and buying a throttle body spacer for a Powerstroke Diesel.

... I have had two supposedly intelligent people ask me about the viability of this... it is sooooo hard not to laugh at these people. I mean one of them was the top dog at a government IT building... so soo sad.
it's just too bad that the thermal ceramic barriers that are sold don't improve power/efficiency enough to help. that 70% heat loss thing is too bad.
Hmmm why it the heat loss a loss of efficiency? the energy of the combustion/explosion does move the piston, why is the heat created a loss of 70% efficiency? it's the heat that expands the air to push the piston.
oh, and I had somebody ask what hydrogen DI Oxyide was... when I told them it was an unstable molecule unattainable in this physical universe they laughed at me and said no, it's water! I then pointed out to them that actually the 2 after the H stands for 2H... not 2-O... laugh laugh laugh...

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Actually in a convoluted way acetone COULD potentially improve your performance in a diesel. Acetone is a pretty decent biocide, so if you had bacteria/growth problems in your fuel a little (multiple small treatments is best because you don't want to run a bunch of acetone through your fuel system all at once) acetone in the tank could help clear that right up.

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Ive had people tell me about this crap. One was a teacher who heard I had a diesel car and at one point I was expirementing with the chemistry to make biodiesel. He heard and said "why dont you just do hydrogen?". I didnt really know what to say. I wanted to put a bullet in my head. I thought these people were supposed to me smart??? And he told me "well my friends daughter did it on her oldsmobile and is getting 70mpg" and I told him no, she didnt. Theres probably not enough energy in a gallon of gas to make an olds go 70 miles at 100% efficiency. I asked him though "have you ever seen the car? Seen it run? Seen it go 70 miles on one gallon of fuel? He had not. All he would say is "well if you dont think it works, why does it?".




The idea is that the hydrogen/oxygen mixture changes the burn rate of the rest of the fuel to gain efficiency. Im not buyin it. An engine takes in an immense amount of air. A few bubbles of HHO in a jar isnt ****. So whats your concentration? 1ppm? Lol. The economy increase of youtubers is the placebo effect.








Im thinking of putting this to rest. Ill take the lawnmower, make a hho generator and feed the gas into the intake of the running lawnmower. Ill replace the gas tank with a graduated container, and measure the fuel consumption. Only problem is that it wont work (even if hho did work) because its a constant throttle engine with a carb, so it just takes in fuel depending on the air flow. Damn nvm

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This is sure to increase fuel economy.


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I honestly would like to see someone on here try it out and report the results. If it works, awesome. If it fails, at least you have documented evidence against it.

I only know basics about an engine's inner workings, but my understanding about how this could work was that the system must be sacrificing energy efficiency in exchange for a more efficient spray pattern or some other effect that produces a slight boost in overall system efficiency. Any possibilities of that?

non sense hydrogen works and works well. my onan generator runs on hydrogen and runs well and produces 1.0 liter a min of browns gas. you guys need to do a lot more studying check out the hyd welder on u tube stanley myers was murdered because he had a car that would run on hydrogen alone. dont try to run it and a 1 cyl lawnmower or you will get a boom . i have a friend that runs his isusu pickup and increased his milage by 25%. get on the net and research research and dont kill yourselfs without many hrs of study safety first and i mean it. booms causes hearing loss and or fires and even death.

Yeah I know and have ridden and have looked at the engine in the car of a guy who runs on nothing but water.
It can be done, but it was far from some $50 internet mail-order crap. About 3 years of research, experimentation, and money went into the car. Really, he would've saved more money just buying fossil fuels for the rest of his life...

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1.0 LITER of gas per minute? The engine is taking in 3+ liters of air per revolution (for a 5.9L engine for example). Thats about 5,900 liters of air per minute at 2000rpm. There is no way such an insignificant amount of gas can drastically alter the combustion of the engine.

I don't buy it at all.

The person who can make their car actually run on water will be a billionaire overnight when he/she licenses/sells the patent on it.

I have almost rebuilt my diesel with this site.

There is a lot of brainpower in this forum. Hopefully, someone can come up with some kind of help or alternative.

I was going to run heating oil. I cannot find it in Los Angeles.

I talked to a trucker tonight. He said that if Diesel fuel hits $5.50 a gallon - he simply cannot afford to haul anymore. I believe truckers are the backbone of this country. If the food stops, many people are going to go nuts.

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Well what do you know.
I have found something that I can agree with from Forcedinduction and Craig !!

I have to say I am happy.

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Making a vehicle run on hydrogen is very easy.
Make the hydrogen gas go in the intake and it runs.
Kinda neat the first time you see it with the main fuel line removed.

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Making hydrogen gas is very easy.
Your car battery has been doing it all of its life.
Or
Put the positive and negative leads of a battery charger
in a bucket of water.
The bubbles you will see is hydrogen gas.
That is called electrolysis

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You will use more electrical energy running the battery charger in the bucket
than you will ever get out of the hydrogen that it creates.

If it were possible to get more energy out of a system than was put into it
then you would have perpetual motion and free energy.
You would have solved the worlds energy problems.
Right there in your little bucket.

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There is currently no way to make make hydrogen that uses less energy
than the hydrogen produced.

You could run the battery charger off of a windmill
and have some very cheep hydrogen.

But you would have been a lot better off just charging a battery.

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If anyone ever does figure out a way to get more energy out of a system
than was put into it. The world will hear about it in a matter of days.
And our energy problems will be over.

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Many very intelligent people have worked on problems such as this.
And none of them have succeeded in figuring it out.
But maybe someday ???



Have Fun !
RichC
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If it fails, you have documented evidence that your effort failed. You cannot prove a negative, and the salesmen will follow just enough logic and scientific method to inform you of this mote in your eye. As for the 2x4 in their own, well, let's just not mention it.

This is a VERY important facet of the scientific method that so many fail to see. I'm glad there's at least one other person on this forum who recognizes that (although I have to say I've never seen a salesperson use that argument).

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