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Old 09-27-2004, 08:52 AM
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Whunter wanted these pictures, i posted them on my website which is > http://www.pgmfi.org/~firepyroandy Click on linkage to view the whole linkage, click Cruise linkage to see how much i need to adjust it. ( At this point it is at regular idle without me touching anything.) Also at this point if i connect the cruise linkage, it will make it so i cant push the stop tab.

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Sady,
I am on a dial-up connection and am having a LONNNNG wait for your Photos.
Are you able to post some of these in a smaller size (<100K) ?
I would appreciate it, I am sure others would too.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:55 AM
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I know that i really need to size down the pictures. Right now, Photo shop will not install on my newly built computer, is there something i can download for free off the Internet to size them down with ? I would be glad to do it.

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Old 09-27-2004, 12:05 PM
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Try the Free
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they may have that in the tools section...
or they also sometimes rotate what free tool programs they have available.... things like panoramic picture capability... etc...
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Old 09-27-2004, 01:36 PM
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85 300SD Sady,
I have no clue as to what you are doing, and I think neither do you. When you can post clear concise imperical info I will respond. Until then I will have to sign off.
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85 300SD Sady is doing best possible.
I am trying to update over seven hours of phone assist, it is a little disjointed.
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Old 09-27-2004, 09:03 PM
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PO claimed glow plug relay bad no dash light!!!

Thank you 1985 300SD Sady
I wanted this posted to this thread so other members could see your problems.

The PO claimed the engine was locked. Proved to be not true, after new engine was installed.

The PO claimed the glow plug relay bad because of no dash light, used glow plug relay has been purchased and in transit.

I was explaining to 1985 300SD Sady that if two glow plugs where bad, the light will not come on but the other three glow plugs still get hot.

Current problem:
With the glow plug relay installed, all glow plugs connected, turn key on and there is zero volts at glow plug.

These glow plugs where swapped from the (supposedly locked engine) to the used engine in the car now.
The readings on a 200 Ohm scale are as follows for the GP's in the car;

Cylinder 1: = 0.4 Ohm

Cylinder 2: = 0.5 Ohm

Cylinder 3: = 0.1 Ohm

Cylinder 4: = 0.4 Ohm

Cylinder 5: = 0.1 Ohm


These glow plugs came in the used engine that was purchased = spare set.
Here are readings in 200 Ohm scale for the extra set of glow plugs.

0.6 Ohm 0.5 Ohm 0.4 Ohm 0.6 Ohm 0.6 Ohm

#3. and #5. will be replaced soon, but with zero volts to the glow plugs is a moot point at the moment.
The glow plug relay fuse has been checked and is good.
Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.
Perhaps the PO was right and the glow plug relay is bad???
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Old 09-27-2004, 09:07 PM
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Whunter, Thanks for the update. Please let us know what has been done and what has been successful. Sometimes we that input help want to know just like Klick and Clack on "Stump The Chumps" whether we were right or not. Since you are the professional, I hope you can provide some clear info as to where we are going here.

Tony,
I too am on dial up and a lot of pics send me realing.

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Old 09-27-2004, 09:24 PM
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Whunter,
It appears that we both posted at the same time. Yes, I agree that the glow plugs are a moot point if the relay isn't working. Is the 50 or 80 amp fuse, whichever is correct for that car, intact? Is there key off 12 volts present at the terminal inside the glow relay that is fastened with a 10 mm nut? There is a complete diagnostic of the glow relay than I can send if need be. 85 sadie never acknowledged if he opened the breather to start the engine. If that helped, someone here desreves credit. I can't remember if it was Jim or Brian or who.

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Current problem:
With the glow plug relay installed, all glow plugs connected, turn key on and there is zero volts at glow plug.

The glow plug relay fuse has been checked and is good.
Suggestions would be very welcome at this point.
Perhaps the PO was right and the glow plug relay is bad???
Roy, if you have power from the key switch to the relay and you do not have any output to any of the glow plugs, then the relay is the only culprit.
I would probably test at the plug connector at the relay first, just to be sure that it is not a wiring issue (not likely).

I once thought I had a bad relay when I got no dashboard light and could not start the SD in 20 degree weather. I made a little jumper wire, which consisted of five pieces of 14 guage wire. One end of all five pieces is twisted together to make one fat copper end. The other ends are stuffed into the various sockets to the plugs at the relay. Connect a jumper cable to the fat end and you have 12V to the plugs, independent of the relay.

Did not help me start the SD, however. Two bad glow plugs sealed my deal. Had to wait until it warmed up to almost 32 degrees to get it to light.
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Old 09-27-2004, 10:31 PM
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Yes, I believe that it was Brian who first pointed it out that the air breather was not right. I did disconnect it before i cranked it further after that point, and thank you for speaking up. Also in the pictures that whunter gave me back, it did show a "danger" label, telling me to disconnect that immediately, and i did so. Today, i have gone to the local auto store, which to my surprise had near nothing i needed, so tomorrow i will be putting in a large order to Phil at Fastlane. I did obtain the hoses needed to fix the air breather problem, since the airbox also had some "Creative engineering" problems, i will be using a new custom air intake, and will be cutting out the "catch can" from the old airbox and hooking that up in the near future. Tomorrow, i will swap out the 2 GP's that i was told that needed to be swapped, also, i will check all the GP's using the method that whunter gave me a link to to test them, which is here >> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=104547 I am going to test to see if the wiring up to the GP relay is correct also tomorrow. Is there anything else i can do while waiting for the new GP relay? Besides getting the oil cooler lines out?

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Old 09-27-2004, 10:41 PM
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creative?

If you want to be creative and bypass the relay, simply so that you do not have to wait for the new one, you could make a simple jumper as I have described above. If this is the only thing that is preventing you from starting it, then it would only take 10 minutes to make.
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i will be using a new custom air intake, and will be cutting out the "catch can" from the old airbox and hooking that up in the near future

85 300SD,
You need to quit thinking about all this crap, grasshopper, and focus on the fact that you have a car that doesn't even start. I have no clue as to what a catch can from the old air box refers to. It might just be tweaker talk. Now you need to rely on someone from this group to get you going, and it sounds like you have settled on Whunter. That is fine, but you must follow his suggestions and not change things without telling him. You need to take a deep breath and focus. By the way, did you ever flip the linkage around to the cruise control?

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Old 09-27-2004, 11:19 PM
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Yes, I did flip around the cruise control. And sorry for posting about the air intake. I will try to keep on subject.

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Old 09-27-2004, 11:23 PM
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Brian,

First thing i will do is test each glowplug individually, get ones that work right in the car. Does your jumper design use some kind of switch? or do you just unhook it from the battery when you dont want it on.. How long is too long? And no, this is not the only thing preventing me from starting the car, i have to get the oil cooler lines fixed also. If you want me to go into detail with this again I would be glad to.

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Old 09-27-2004, 11:29 PM
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Post Writing a book on this one.

Hello Peter
The glow plug relay fuse is intact.
In the many hours I have been on the phone assisting, this has been at best a secondary issue; getting fuel to the injectors has been a trial of nerves.
The engine oil cooler lines have been cut in half (by the PO?), my guess is to R&R radiator in the past, the splice is ½ inch copper tube and standard worm gear clamps.
The engine started for a couple of seconds, the splice failed and spewed engine oil, no damage to engine, but a large mess.
The lines are going to a local hydraulic shop for repair.

Now that I am not occupied with immediate fuel and compression concerns, it seemed the perfect time to update and ask for suggestions on the glow plug relay problem, before I start 1985 300SD Sady down the electrical diagnostic path.

Yes, please send the complete diagnostic of the glow relay.
I have kept 1985 300SD Sady very busy rerouting and repairing.
Injector bleeding took over eight hours of real time, chasing off to get a new battery and a 50 AMP charger didn’t help job time.
The light dawned very bright when I realized that out of zeal to follow advice, 1985 300SD Sady had disconnected the ALDA also.

Hello Brian
I don’t know if there is power from the key switch to the relay.
The diagnostic will not begin until Tuesday.
1985 300SD Sady did confirm zero volts to glow plugs and order a used relay, trusting the PO’s diagnosis, before I was involved.
Wiring issues are more possible than what I like on this car, 1985 300SD Sady has described some of the dash and radio console wiring to me.

I know about the oil breather can and agree, it is a best possible repair in budget, the OEM housing and T bracket are wrecked by fractures and chunks missing.

Thank you all.
whunter
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Old 09-28-2004, 12:26 AM
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Brian,

First thing i will do is test each glowplug individually, get ones that work right in the car. Does your jumper design use some kind of switch? or do you just unhook it from the battery when you dont want it on.. How long is too long? And no, this is not the only thing preventing me from starting the car, i have to get the oil cooler lines fixed also. If you want me to go into detail with this again I would be glad to.

Thanks.
Since this is not the issue that prevents you from starting it, I recommend that you wait for the glow plug relay and continue to have direct interaction with Roy. It will be counterproductive for you to go off on a tangent and make up a jumper wire if there are other issues involved.

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