I fully agree. It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that cotton gin waste and boll weevil parts are not going to filter down to 10 microns.
I'm sure that we will get the "party line" on the filtering capability if attempting to get info from M/B.

We could probably do better with one of the independent manufacturers.

Brian one of the filters I cut open was Hengst and it was the worst of the two filters, the other was a Mann. Both were full of the cotton gin tailings, but the Hengst didn't have as good of a wrapper around the inner crap. The thing had what looked like human hair all over the outside of inner wrap holding the gin waste in the canister. Where the hair was located it could have easly went through the holes out into the oil system.

Needless I now only use the Napa or Wix from local parts store.

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I was wondering when you were going to stop in here. Your expertise is sorely needed.

BTW, I am trying to research the Baldwin for the 603. It has bypass capability and I want to find out more about the medium and the manufacturer.

Can some one tell me the part number for the WIX oil filter for am 83 OM617 engine? Which chain carries WIX, NAPA? Pep Boys? Does there exist an On-Line site to specify WIX for this engine?
WIX holds about 80% or so of NASCAR. With the new one engine rule they must have some good reason for using so much WIX.
Thanks.

Thanks for the complement Brian, between being sick, tripping over the cat and falling out on the deck, then falling in the ditch that runs besides the house, I lucky I'm even on the internet. Nice thing about a laptop is I can surf the net from bed, as I am doing at the moment.

I don't know if I would feel comfortable using a NAPA filter with a 15w oil as I use a 5w-40 Synthetic and the NAPA filter slows down the oil reaching the top of the engine by a few seconds compared to the cotton filled upper by-pass media. I not sure how fast the 15w oil will get through to the engine.

After the next oil change, I'm cutting open the NAPA filter and will post pictures. That's if I don't fall off the deck or something else.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.

I noticed that no one has brought up STP oil filters. Well... just to clear things up, its crap too. I took the one from my 603 and cut it open, not only did I find the typical "crap" in it, there was 3 candy wrappers . And yet here i am running another STP filter. I think i'll have to switch over some time also. But so far, of my 6 or so oil changes, i've gone through my share of Frams and STPs i think all of which are made in india

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87 300DT (Gone: 10/15/2010)

Be careful, Navy. We need you up and around. Was the tripping over the cat, falling on the deck, and the falling off the deck into the ditch all one event? This might have been worth a video.

Clearly, there are members who wish to default to the OE, when things start to get difficult with regard to a proper oil filter. I think we need to find a good bypass filter that beats the pants off OE, Hengst, Mann, and Bosch.
I would prefer an alternative to Wix because it has no bypass section.

While I'm coming into this thread late, I will throw in my two cents anyway.

Who says paper is the only good filtering media? Tightly packed cotton probably makes an excellent filter media, so does TP! The oe filter I cut apart looked much much better then lint. It was packed with clean white cotton with little cotton shell peices in it. Their is now way they could go down the filter shafts hole so a I don't think they could hurt anything.

If the filters still bother you then install a Frantz type filter and you will be all set.

Their is a difference in filters, when I changed to Mobil 1 at about 2k miles I decided to change the oil filter out. I swapped out a Heignst for a Fram, what I noticed at first is my hot oil pressure dropped off slightly. About .25 of a bar, also it took a lot longer in the morning for the pressure to come up. The Fram did not fit tightly around the shaft, so it did not seal well that is why I think the pressure took a little longer to come up. So far I am happy with the OE filter I have, however I just got a good deal on 4 Bosch filters so I will be giving those a try.

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The falls were two seperate events, thank God.

After discovering how the by-pass operates, by passing the majority of the oil through a none filtering section, I will not go back to OEM filters. I have yet to order a OE filter from my local MB dealer 200 miles from here, but I guess no one else uses them either. I was hoping someone would cut one open after an oil change, but looks like I may end up ordering one to cut open.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.

Talk about timing, hehehe.

Actually there is a problem using loose unwoven cotton as filter media. It does what is often called "tunneling", the oil passes through the cotton pushing the cotton apart and forming tunnels through the loose cotton.

By-pass in the MB oil filter means it by-passes the main oil filter element when the back pressure reaches a certain PSI, this helps get oil up to engine quickly at start up and at high engine RPM to reduce oil coking from heat. The oil filters when these car were made used tightly wound woven cotton cord in the upper by-pass section, this prevented the tunneling effect from happening that takes place in the loose packed cotton gin tailings in the out sourced filters. The thing is that even with the woven cotton twine used the stuff would most likely not filter below 40 or 50 microns at best. But that's not all that bad when you are changing the oil every 3000 miles, if however you wanted to go 5000 to 10,000 mile between changes that would be a poor filter design.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.

HatterasGuy as long as it's not not woven string it will tunnel as they will not be able to pack it tight enough to prevent it from tunneling. Check with hydrolic engineer for more info.

As far as 5000 miles with Mobil Delvac 1 that should be no problem. VW's TDI's (diesels) make 10,000 miles easy on oil changes. Go to 5000 mile point change oil, then at about 4000 miles on that change pull an oil sample and have it tested here to see if oil can go any further. You may find you're at the limit or that you may just need to change filter, top off the oil and go another 4000 miles.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.

How do you know this was the original material in the filters?

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I read the spec somewhere about a month or so ago, what really PMO is I can't remember where.

Understand I'm retired and 90% off my time while the wife is at work is reading or surfing the internet. I guess I spend about 8 hrs out of 24hrs on the internet and about 3 hrs reading books. I can't keep up with all the info I take in.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

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I can understand that.

I have several dozen old MB diesel in the salvage yard I work at, one day I might get around to pulling an oil filter or two and just seeing what's in them since they are older.

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1982 VW Caddy diesel 406K 1.9L AAZ
1994 E320 195K

That would be real cool, I love to run across one of those MB branded oil filters. I don't know if they ever had one made to be sold with only MB logo on filter and sold only in MB dealership. I just assume that they did and do today, but I've never checked.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.