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Old 10-14-2004, 09:15 PM
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your health versus...

I'd try to find a price for 'same as advertised' at a used car parts place like silverstarrecycling etc..

Then compare the price.

Based on that, see if seller could do something or perhaps buyer did ok somewhat...

Touchy situation.

Don't give yourself a headache over it.

I have spent about same money wise on cruise control stuff (w123) from a forum member ( last year ?) that was 'tested' good but turned out not so.

I let it ride. Not worth the hassle to me.

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Old 10-14-2004, 09:58 PM
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Ebay has crooked buyers as well.
I think there are other sorts of buyers who aren't really trying to cheat the seller, but who end up wanting to return the goods for other reasons (bought "wrong" item through ignorance, experience remorse over impulse buy, found a better deal elsewhere later, spouse raised a fit, etc.) These reasons may seem perfectly sound to them, but of course not to the sellers. In my modest eBay experience, I have never had the misfortune of dealing with this sort of buyer, but they're out there. I would imagine that the more one deals with the general public, the more often buyers like these turn up.

There are also some people who are clearly having difficulty dealing with the world in general, and they buy and sell on eBay, too. I've only sold to one of those. I wish I knew where he was, so I could ship him the item he paid $60 for several months ago, or at least give him his money back.

I agree that these relatively few "problem buyers" are the reason that many sellers clearly state a "no returns" policy.

I also agree that the purchase by phantoms is clearly not one of those problem cases, and that any sensible seller would make a reasonable exception to such a policy.

I'm still struck by the firmness of the seller in this case, in light of his many apparently happy customers. Maybe he's one of those guys who's just peachy to deal with as long as everything is going OK, but has a completely different face when there's a problem. I'm a small-timer, but I'd like to think I'm a better class of seller than that.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:29 PM
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I could have bought 2 new headlights for less than half of what I paid for this auction. There is no way that anyone bidding was doing so for the headlights, but for the fog lights. And it seemed obvious to me that there wasn't a little damage, but enoguh damage to make them useless. The glass does not have yellow color as the seller stated, it's the reflectors inside the housings that do. I personally would have never offered for sale anything in half as bad of shape.

As I stated, I'm not sure exactly what I expected out of the seller, but I expected more than the attitude of I got your money, now get lost. I used his feedback as a guide for making the purchase and tried to resolve it with him before posting anything negative.

I've filed a claim through paypal and hopefully this can get settled without having to go to the credit card company.
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Old 10-14-2004, 10:42 PM
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I could have bought 2 new headlights for less than half of what I paid for this auction. There is no way that anyone bidding was doing so for the headlights, but for the fog lights. And it seemed obvious to me that there wasn't a little damage, but enoguh damage to make them useless. The glass does not have yellow color as the seller stated, it's the reflectors inside the housings that do. I personally would have never offered for sale anything in half as bad of shape.

As I stated, I'm not sure exactly what I expected out of the seller, but I expected more than the attitude of I got your money, now get lost. I used his feedback as a guide for making the purchase and tried to resolve it with him before posting anything negative.

I've filed a claim through paypal and hopefully this can get settled without having to go to the credit card company.
Was paypal insurance offered? sometimes its worth it. Of course a newby seller with little feedback would not qualify then its caviot emptor.

Best of luck, have recently been through what you are right now. To the tune of $328.00
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:38 PM
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I just won with paypal

I just one a case with paypal insurance after dealing with a rude vulgar sales guy I finally filed a claim with paypal well after 35 days today I was notified that I had won the seller emailed me a threatening email it was a hassle to do and it was only over $75 but now I am glad I did it. I would like to know how paypal made there decision since it was a technical issue in that the part was not exactly what he said it was and was no good to me.
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Old 10-15-2004, 08:26 AM
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I just one a case with paypal insurance after dealing with a rude vulgar sales guy I finally filed a claim with paypal well after 35 days today I was notified that I had won the seller emailed me a threatening email it was a hassle to do and it was only over $75 but now I am glad I did it. I would like to know how paypal made there decision since it was a technical issue in that the part was not exactly what he said it was and was no good to me.
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Good for you, the two cases I have been burned was from guys new enough that the insurance was not offered by Paypal. Seems they need some kind of a positive history first. I inadvertantly made a mostly cash payment the pirst time through paypal and they said I am screwed even with a no ship from seller. Use creditcard through paypal ever since, so I have one extra place to complain to.

I try to avoid guys that won' take paypal without a LOT, of positve feedback with no negatives in last 6 months. No guarantee even like that but it helps reduce my risk.
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Old 10-15-2004, 09:05 AM
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I try to avoid guys that won' take paypal without a LOT, of positve feedback with no negatives in last 6 months. No guarantee even like that but it helps reduce my risk.
Here's a question, then. If a seller were to accept check or money order with no additional charge, but would accept PayPal as long as you picked up his PayPal fees (maybe 3% of total cost, including shipping), would that turn you off?
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Old 10-15-2004, 09:38 AM
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Here's a question, then. If a seller were to accept check or money order with no additional charge, but would accept PayPal as long as you picked up his PayPal fees (maybe 3% of total cost, including shipping), would that turn you off?
It would.............I worry about any seller that trys to use payment methods that afford me no protection in the event of fraud. Particularly new sellers. Sorry but my thinking is I would rather pay a higher price from an established vendor than run that sort of risk from a new seller with no track record. Both times I was burned was by sellers with less than 20 feedback, and neither had bad feedback before I was burned.

I see the paypal cost as a price of doing business. Not something I should have to pay as a buyer.

Lot of times you can get better prices from other sources.

Point of note, Intake manifold for a 6.5 GM Turbodiesel......They go for $125 and higher plus shipping when they show up on ebay. Do a search on Car-parts.com and I find pages and half are lower priced, some as low as $75.

Remember there ARE other sources when you bid, lots of sellers think their trash is special and too many buyers lack common sense too and pay way too much. Result is things going for far more than they are worth.
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Old 10-15-2004, 09:49 AM
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I finally filed a claim with paypal well after 35 days today I was notified that I had won
How'd you pull that one off?

I've got a problem (unrelated to eBay) in that I paid $40 for something that I never received, and the seller up and disappeared. If I were in better financial shape, $40 wouldn't be that big of a deal, but every dollar counts for me...

But, I was under the impression that, since it had been more than 30 days, I was SOL...?

So, again, how did you get PayPal to consider going over the case? I may have to give it a try...thanks!
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Old 10-15-2004, 10:27 AM
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Wink

Sometimes a sticky situation can develop between a buyer and seller.
I find that a phone call conversation about the problem usually solves it..

In your case, I would call the seller and state your feelings in a nice way....Worth a try..
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Old 10-15-2004, 10:32 AM
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How'd you pull that one off?

I've got a problem (unrelated to eBay) in that I paid $40 for something that I never received, and the seller up and disappeared. If I were in better financial shape, $40 wouldn't be that big of a deal, but every dollar counts for me...

But, I was under the impression that, since it had been more than 30 days, I was SOL...?

So, again, how did you get PayPal to consider going over the case? I may have to give it a try...thanks!
My second one was brushed off by both Paypal and Ebay. Why? because it went over 30 days. How did that happen, Seller promised me a full refund a week earlier and it went over 30 days before I realised what he did, and that was stall.

3 weeks ago I bought 2 sets of the New Star Wars releasce for $30 each, free shipping. well never got them and seller never responded, till I filed a complaint, then I got a quick answer promising me them by the end of the week or he would reship. Updated ebay on both items saying its not over till they are in my hand. Just yesterday seller said he was shipping me out 2 more sets, with tracking info this time. Its important to get your claim in before 30 days regardless of promisses made. The crooked ones delay and stall to get you past 30 days. You can buy and ship a car cross country in less than 30 days, There is never an excuse to be near 30 days without items. I got 4 Infared security cameras with color daytime funtion form Hong Kong in 2 auctions, I have recieved Both, first set in 7 days second set in about 12 days. And they were not express shipments.

As a buyer NEVER be compliant You should have valid tracking info within 3 business days, thats lots of time to pack and ship items. Much more and I would be concerned.
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Old 10-15-2004, 11:34 AM
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The reason some sellers do not take paypal is beacuse if the wrong person gets a hold of your paypal credentials they can clean out your account. A seller/lifelong friend of mine got taken for over $6000 when someone discovered his paypal password or whatever it is you must log to identify yourself. After 25 years of being in business this one action nearly caused him to lose everything.

When I sell on ebay I take only cash/money order/ bank checks from buyers. Not because I want to screw anybody but beacuse I am not set up to accept charges and prefer to stay away from cc companies and no paypal because I know more than one person has had their accounts cleaned out These are my only reasons for not accepting the above methods of payment and have nothing to do with trying to rip someone off.

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Remember there ARE other sources when you bid, lots of sellers think their trash is special and too many buyers lack common sense too and pay way too much. Result is things going for far more than they are worth.
This sort of thinking gets trotted out just about every time there is a thread discussing a Mercedes-Benz for sale on eBay.

IF the goods are accurately represented (no deception, intentional or otherwise, so that both buyer and seller understand the nature of the goods) AND IF there is no funny stuff going on behind the scenes (shill bidding, joke bidder who will never close the deal, etc.) THEN the closing price is a fair price. It's a price that the seller is willing to accept and that the buyer is willing to pay.

It doesn't amount to a hill of beans that you think something is "trash" if another individual (often a number of them) think it's "treasure".
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Old 10-15-2004, 12:50 PM
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This sort of thinking gets trotted out just about every time there is a thread discussing a Mercedes-Benz for sale on eBay.

IF the goods are accurately represented (no deception, intentional or otherwise, so that both buyer and seller understand the nature of the goods) AND IF there is no funny stuff going on behind the scenes (shill bidding, joke bidder who will never close the deal, etc.) THEN the closing price is a fair price. It's a price that the seller is willing to accept and that the buyer is willing to pay.

It doesn't amount to a hill of beans that you think something is "trash" if another individual (often a number of them) think it's "treasure".
Thats fine for those who don't care if they buy a part you can get at any junkard for $50 for $100 on ebay because they never thought to look or didn't bother to look. There are deals to be had, thats for sure, but have seen way too many items go for way too much. Believe me I made that mistake before. So I do speak from experience. Heck some places charge you 2-4 times what shipping actually costs.
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It doesn't amount to a hill of beans that you think something is "trash" if another individual (often a number of them) think it's "treasure".
Thats what makes the world go 'round!

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