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Old 02-22-2005, 12:20 AM
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Hello,
I started my dad's 1953 170DS last week after it sat for 8 years.
It needed a bit of preparation, but a little bit of cranking had it firing in under ten seconds. I think it cleared all the bugs for about two blocks and my neighbor threatened to call the DOE
Try that with a Lexus
Have a good weekend.
Not to sound like a party poop. Why whould the car be sitting that long in the first place? I mean thats like taking space up for no good reason. Just curious...

Good for the start...

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Old 02-22-2005, 12:38 AM
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I'm a (he).... and I await those pics! I will crop/edit them to perfection for posting upon this thread, where they will procure their glory for all to see!!
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:53 AM
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ATF or KROIL,
Bought a '63 200 Diesel that had sat in the carriage barn for 30 years{23,000K}

Engine was stuck,it would not turn!

Pulled the plugs,sprayed in maybe 1 gallon of KROIL,
2 days later pulled a breaker bar from the crankshaft sprocket @ 200Ftlbs and BOOM!!!! she turned over.

Seems to be doing well,the new owner having put on 700 or so miles since when I sold it.
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Old 02-22-2005, 07:54 AM
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pawoSD---pics on the way

Hello,
I hope you get the pics in your mail today. Thanks for your help to post the pics, I have been stumped by the procedure too many times before.
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:10 PM
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What does that body look like? Was it anything like the '61 190 Db I had?

Now for the really dumb question: Is the 170 a diesel?

Yes, the 170 is a diesel, and no it would not look even remotely like the 61 190D. It's WAY COOLER!!!

Scuicide front doors, old prewar styling, and something that I vow to own one day.
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Old 02-22-2005, 12:17 PM
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Hot off the presses - this site just went up within the last couple of days.
http://www.170220.com/

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Old 02-22-2005, 03:02 PM
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Here we go!! The pics! This is an awesome vehicle, I want one of these!!!
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170DS starts after sitting for 8 years-pict0002.jpg   170DS starts after sitting for 8 years-pict0003.jpg   170DS starts after sitting for 8 years-pict0004.jpg   170DS starts after sitting for 8 years-pict0005.jpg   170DS starts after sitting for 8 years-pict0006.jpg  

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'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:03 PM
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And the last pic
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'09 Sprinter 3500 Winnebago View - 62k (OC - 67k)
'13 ML350 Bluetec - 95k - dad's (OC-98k)
'01 SL500 - 103k(km) - dad's (OC-110,000km)
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Old 02-22-2005, 03:34 PM
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Right hand drive on top of it all!!! Way cool. Thanx.
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Talking Thanks pawoSD

Hello,
OK, guys, stay calm, don't faint. It's just an old car
The car has a top speed of 62mph(100kmh)at 3300rpm, the governed maximum revs.
The OM636, first made in 1949, was the ONLY OHV diesel, all the later engines were OHC.
It has steel timing gears, forged nitrided crank on 3 main bearings and forged anodized pistons, BUT all that should be a familiar to any technically minded Mercedes Benz Diesel owner. The power output is 40bhp, so in a 3000+lbs car with barndoor aerodynamics,, you reach 60mph in about 56 seconds!
Ride and handling are OK compared to modern cars, but the unassisted all drum brakes are hopeless in fast moving traffic and the nasty ZF worm and nut steering is a real pig, being high geared(3 turns lock to lock)and weighty at all speeds, but with a lot of lash at straight ahead. Good thing MB went over to their own MB recirculating ball steering in later cars.
Earlier 170V/Va/D/Da had a partially wooden structure, but the 170S/Sa/DS, all designated W191, had an all steel body, like the 300s, and the fancy double wishbone front suspension, hypoid bevel rear swing axle.
All this stuff was used in the 300SL gullwing, believe it or not, with a few modifications to the front stub axles to increase castor and lightened by drilling holes into many suspension components and of course the Alfin twin leading shoe drum brakes
This car was the only car that my dad ever had from 1954 to 1980, excepting a Fiat 500 that he used dring the 1973-74 energy crisis.
All maintenance records were handwritten into many log books over the years and it made me a sort of *Mercedes smartass*, for want of a better word.
I am probably the only Malaysian to know that a Ponton 219 is a W105
The two small badges on the front grille close up are the 200,000km and 500,000km mileage badges.
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Not to sound like a party poop. Why whould the car be sitting that long in the first place? I mean thats like taking space up for no good reason. Just curious...
Er, too many other cars that need attention............................
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:48 AM
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OM636 motor

That engine looked familiar from the pic. I have the marine version (42hp) of this same OM636 motor installed in my sailboat since 1972, and it is still going strong. Whitecap (www.whitecap-pei.com) is presently in Guatemala's Rio Dulce. I estimate my OM636 has well over 10,000 hours on her without any major repair except for all the parts made in America bolted to her ie: alternator, transmission and clutch plate. Whitecap's Mercedes OM636 marine engine was built in Spain and only sold/available from Mercedes of England. Last winter I met a British sailor cruising in Belize with the same engine, he told me the story of someone he knows who purchased a warehouse in Spain that was "full of these engines still in crates"!! Someone just got tired of paying the storage fees; the buyers are few for these engines, as they have a long stroke requiring too much under cockpit space and are too heavy for todays yachts compared to the Yanmars of the day.

By the way, for everyones info, parts for the OM636 are readily available and much cheaper from "Thermo King" in the US, as they used this engine for years to power their refrigerated reefers.
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Old 02-24-2005, 09:13 AM
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What does that body look like? Was it anything like the '61 190 Db I had?

Now for the really dumb question: Is the 170 a diesel?

Certainly is a diesel (170DS). It's a W191, Made in 1952 and 53 only. They look like this:





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Old 02-24-2005, 09:27 AM
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Oh, thats cool.....I wish I had one.
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:41 AM
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OM636---long production run

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That engine looked familiar from the pic. I have the marine version (42hp) of this same OM636 motor installed in my sailboat since 1972, and it is still going strong.
By the way, for everyones info, parts for the OM636 are readily available and much cheaper from "Thermo King" in the US, as they used this engine for years to power their refrigerated reefers.
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The OM636 was fitted in anything that moved on the face of the earth
Vans, minibuses, Unimogs, railway inspection engines, farm tractors and refrigrator units besides almost every single Mercedes Benz Diesel passenger car from 1949 to 1961.
IIRC, it was made by Mevosa in Spain from around 1950something to at least 1974.
The earlier 1679cc engines in the 170D were rated at 38bhp/3200rpm, later engines were 1767cc and rated between 34bhp(tractor, Unimog) to 43bhp(Ponton 180D). *Our* 170DS had a 40bhp unit from 1953 until 1970, when the engine overrevved and broke the #3 con-rod, ventilating the crankcase. All this occured because there was an air leak in the governor vacuum pipe and my dad just had to outrun a Frogeye Sprite Car got past the Sprite, ran up to almost 80mph and then BANG and silence, except the wind rushing past. Sprite never made it either, it stopped a few miles down in clouds of steam or oil smoke, we were too preoccupied at the time to care
The replacement engine was a Ponton OM636, with a listed 43bhp and it is still in the car to this day. The familiar hum from under the hood is an addictive kind of sound, I remember it well from long road trips.
Thank you for the useful bit of information about spare parts, I will keep that in mind. That is the kind of info that makes this forum worthwhile, in this country, nobody will share that kind of info, they keep it a closely guarded secret.
Have a good week

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