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Oil Overfill--Enough to Be Concerned
Took my 1992 300D in for an oil change. Looks like they overfilled. I know that overfill is bad, and I think I know the reasons why.
My question: is the amount they overfilled enough to worry? On the dipstick, it's 3/8" above the full mark (i.e. 3/8" up the red plastic piece), measured hot after sitting for 10 minutes. Thanks.
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Was the car on perfectly flat ground? Like a garage? I know my reading will change a bit if the car isn't level.
I wouldn't worry it will burn it off.
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" I know that overfill is bad, and I think I know the reasons why. "
What are those reasons you think you know ? |
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Foaming, creation of gas, etc... But just so I know for certain, what are they? Also, if my 3/8" over is nothing to worry about, how much would be enough to worry about?
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife |
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You are exactly correct...
Now, what does foaming do to whatever qualities of oil you value ? How fast does it do it ? |
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Also be careful when checking your oil if you're using synthetic oil. These oils stick to the engine parts so well that you really have to let the car sit for a long time before you check the oil level. At least that has been my experience. I once parked my 300SD on level ground and after waiting for two hours, I checked the oil and it was in the middle of the "ok" range. Then after letting it sit for an additional 7 hours (this was from 9am to around 4 pm) I checked the level again and it was at the top of the "ok" range. So you really have to let the oil run down to the pan. This was using Amsoil 15W-40 oil.
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And again, how much of any overfill WOULD be a cause for concern?
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14 E250 Bluetec "Sinclair", Palladium Silver on Black, 153k miles 06 E320 CDI "Rutherford", Black on Tan, 171k mi, Stage 1 tune, tuned TCU 91 300D "Otis", Smoke Silver, 142k mi, wastegate conversion 19 Honda CR-V EX 61k mi Fourteen other MB's owned and sold 1961 Very Tolerant Wife |
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And again, how much of any overfill WOULD be a cause for concern?
there was a discussion on this previuosly, using the search tool I found this:
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=19651 Also ask yourself, "why would MB print DO NOT OVERFILL" on the oil cap?
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How much too much ? ANY !!!
In the lower part of the engine we call the crankcase... there is a LOT OF MOVEMENT... the crank turning around really fast... and the oil level is somewhere below that... but not VERY far...
There is a lot of Wind caused by this crank movement...and it can whip the suface ( or worse when Really overfilled ) of the oil enough to greatly incorporate Oxygen... Oxidation causes the things in the oil naturally or added for lubrication to decay much faster than normal.... and can cause loss of proper bearing lubrication. This can happen fairly fast compared to the regular life of oil... Another thing is that both these engines in general....and the Tech bulletins from MB suggest that mistakes were made in judgeing the level at which the oil level should be.... Plenty of people have reported ( including me ) a drastic difference in th oil usage just between running these engines at ( not above ) the Full Mark... and half way down the stick to the Low mark... In lots of engines with low profiles.. like V-8s ... manufacturers put in ' windage' trays below the crank and above the oil level... |
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Something I had posted before...
This would have come up on a search for " oil level " ...
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But the point is valid - a little over is probably nothing to worry about. If it is, then you and me both are in trouble... - Patrick
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I respectfully disagree with most of the replies, and advise you received. 3/8" above max. is a substantial overfill. Close to 1 Quart. If I were you, I'd get that extra oil out of there in a hurry.
Phil
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