Those of you with high speed internet connection and fuel developement backgrounds could check this site and let us know if this is possible. .....and anyone else for that matter..He says he's being suppressed by the FED's.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021126215824/get113to138mpg.com/


There are a lot of alternative fuel/engine sites on the www, but this one piqued my interest.


BTW....before any of you deride or ridicule this in your scepical mode...how about a REASON this is why this might or might not be workable..
Unless you are able to furnish substantive data refuting his claim, pehaps someone might test the validity of his claims.

Personaly I always have an open mind, I like to validate or otherwise before going off half-cocked and deriding stuff. 'nuff said.


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"A liberal is someone who feels they owe a great debt to their fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."

I have an open mind as well, just not open enough to send this guy $795.

i wont say it is impossible.

just give me one good reason why if it is possible to get 163 mpg with a benz diesel why mb wouldnt have already done it?

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Didn't see the part that said send $795.00.
What page was that...I'm on dial up right now.


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"A liberal is someone who feels they owe a great debt to their fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."

After a little more searching I found this :

http://www.himacresearch.com/links.html


HOWEVER if you go to this site.......I would caution the use of this type of health aid.
'The Colloidal Silver Manual'

The results of Argyria (colliodal silver in cell invasion) are irriversable.

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"A liberal is someone who feels they owe a great debt to their fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."

If it sounds to good to be true, well!!!

This guy has it all...he's solved the world's energy and pollution problems but due to his conspiracy theory and paranoid delusions he'll never be able to personally profit from it so he is giving away all of the plans for free so everyone can have a 100+MPG car.

This sounds like a perfect case for the Mythbusters to tackle!

But if you need a mortgage he asks you call him first. America, what a country

Seriously, his whole theory seems to revolve around vaporizing the liquid fuel into a gas so it will burn much more cleanly and efficiently...the only problem with that theory is that if gas were so much better than liquid than why doesn't a propane or LNG powered car get equivalent mileage? It's already a gas so you don't need to have it undergo a phase change - as we all learned in thermodynamics you need to put energy into a liquid to turn it into a gas. Even if he uses waste heat to turn the liquid fuel into a gas it would seem that the added efficiency would be nominal, certainly not on the order of 3, 4 or 5X what the liquid fuel would produce.

In fact, this is borne out by the fact that most of today's cars are about 40-50% efficient...that is to say somewhere around 40-50% of the BTU's in the fuel go into making motion while the rest are wasted, mostly as heat. Even if you could recapture 100% of the wasted heat (impossible) you would only roughly double the efficiency of the car in MPGs. The limit is the actual energy content of the fuel (measured in BTU's per unit of mass - independent of state). I've seen hundreds of claims from inventors who say they have a product that allows cars to get 100+ MPGs but never once have I seen them proven (before they get abducted by the oil companies or the government, that is).

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2013 C300 4Matic
1984 BMW 733i
2013 Lincoln MKz

I'm sure it would work to some degree, just not to what he is claiming.

i think nhdoc's comments "hit the nail on the head" on this one, and the many other efficiency schemes. at the core of these schemes is the notion that one can profit from giving people energy efficiency, or something closer to the perpetual motion machine, this is a good thing IMHO. the SUV/consumption driven economy needs to be supplanted by a more efficiency/responsibility driven economy. we just need workable and valid ventures.

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1967 230SL, manual
1959 180D, manual

off the subject, but since MBZ only makes a $60,000+ diesel now, which seems stupid to me, what are people's thoughts on the VW TDI in cars like the jetta and beetle??

is the newer VW TDI engined cars a good buy? are VW cars reliable??

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1967 230SL, manual
1959 180D, manual

Sounds like deja vu, all over again...

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=132523

If we agree that an internal combustion engine is about 33% efficient, a 30mpg, 33% efficient diesel could be made 100% efficient it would only get 90 mpg. 163 mpg is, therefore, a complete fabrication.

Be careful what you say.......

http://www.nissanperformancemag.com/june02/1000mpg.php

The real world has a habit of bitting you in the rear.

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"A liberal is someone who feels they owe a great debt to their fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money."

Does that 1000 mpg car have a/c? I don't see a compressor bolted up to the engine anywhere.

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that a 100mpg car is very doable. the honda insight if equipped with a high effeciency diesel would be right at it.

tom w

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

I think the engine effieceny comments (posted here on the forum) are right on the nail however you really have to start factoring in the areodynamics, etc. of the chassis that is housing the engine.

If you want to measure engine efficency and whatnot, you would have to put it on a dyno (where there is no limiting factors like drag, friction, etc.)

If a car engine is 33% efficent (for example) with a considerable coefficent of friction due to wind resistance, drag, and ground friction; then its full possible for these students to make sure efficent cars becuase they are changing EVERYTHING around the engine and optomizing the engine for one purpose only.

The mercedes 300D getting 160+mpg...unlikely just due to the fact that it has all that friction just like a stock 300D.

The student build engine that gets insane MPG...understandable due to the fact that they basically built a bullet.

Besides fuel vaporization dealing with diesel? Maybe if he had a picture of the engine I would be more likely to believe but what applies to one highly volitale fuel does not always apply to the other.

I only find it odd that his website was built with a very "hacked up" look. He makes it look like the big bad boys came in and editied his website and put grey boxes over all of his info.

Who has a menu bar at the top of the main page and also one down the side on every page? Hmm...

Just seems sorta fishy in website design. The contents page for example: http://web.archive.org/web/20021206075704/get113to138mpg.com/toc.htm just seems to be built to feed the curisoity and whatnot of a inquisitive mind that just HAS to know the answer.

The links are undeveloped, the aim seems to be like a bad tobacco ad. It sorta leashes you in and gets you thinking. I looked the website over completely without any sort of bias but I think I am going to have to vote BS on this one.

And its 3 years old. If he had to deal with all this crazy stuff...chances are the "FEDS" would be back after him and the site would be down. But in all honesty, there is nothing on that website.


Anyone on here want to brute force his webpage access logon? (any hackers?) http://www.get113to138mpg.com/stats/REFERRER.html