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Old 10-18-2005, 12:06 PM
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Ah...compression...cylinders...yes, now I get it. it takes me a while sometimes. LOL.

I will ask them if they've tried it.

as far as the ether goes, i think it was only one or two squirts. I'm not sure. I hope he didn't do more damage to it!

I am a bit concerned about the cold weather. I'm in eastern PA and it's almost that time of year. I'm hoping that once this stuff is done that all my problems will be solved. heck, they'll have replaced half the engine. LOL.

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Old 10-18-2005, 12:16 PM
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It does sound like it wants to fire........
Have they done any checking of the glow plug system? If it is non-operational or marginal, then a fuel system problem would be even more magnified. The original plugs may have become carboned up and preventing a good heating of the prechambers. The prechambers also may have become clogged and pulling the glow plugs will give you a hint of this. A lot of starting issues can be solved by a new set of glow plugs. Starting in a diesel usually involves glow plugs and prechambers.

They may be stuck in a train of thought about the loss of power, with the wvo system, and trying to tie in the starting issue.
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Old 10-18-2005, 03:01 PM
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They are definitely trying to blame all of this on the svo system. they don't understand it so, naturally, they think it is the cause. I guess, to some extent, it may be, but I don't really think so.

I just talked tot he mechanic. It looks like he's not going to touch the IP for now. "It's a lot of work". I agree and so does my pocketbook. He said they looked at the injectors and they are all misting fine. he was a little confused about the solid banjo bolt that was put on the secondary filter as part of the svo system. I don't understand myself why it is there, I just know that it needs to be there. That wasn't good enough, so I had my friend call him and explain it to him.

I'm really starting to loose hope here. These guys have been working on diesels for 25 years and they can't get my car started. They are getting a little frustrated and I get an eerie feeling that they will give up soon and I'll be stuck with a car that does not start.

They did check the vacuum on the shut off valve yesterday and it seems to be working ok. I asked him if they had checked the exhaust yet and they hadn't. They were just now getting to look at the car for the day (2:00 est). That's both good and bad. good because they hadn't spent all day on it and not figured it out. bad because I will now be without my car for 6 days.
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Have they done any checking of the glow plug system? If it is non-operational or marginal, then a fuel system problem would be even more magnified. The original plugs may have become carboned up and preventing a good heating of the prechambers. The prechambers also may have become clogged and pulling the glow plugs will give you a hint of this. A lot of starting issues can be solved by a new set of glow plugs. Starting in a diesel usually involves glow plugs and prechambers.

They may be stuck in a train of thought about the loss of power, with the wvo system, and trying to tie in the starting issue.

oops, fogot this in my last reply. they did check all of the GP's and they are all operational. "red hot" was his quote.
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Old 10-18-2005, 04:46 PM
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Question

what is engine oil level?

It is possible:
If the turbo seals are blown = flooding the cylinders with oil.
The injection pump could ba bad = flooding the cylinders with fuel.

Did they disconnect the crankcase vent tube while trying to crank?
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Old 10-18-2005, 05:24 PM
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Personally,

I'm a bit concerned that you have to tell your mechanic what to look at. Isn't it his job to know what to look at and tell you what is wrong. I think that whunter is right on. In all of your posts It was never really clear if the engine is actually turning over, and if so how well. It is really easy to test if the IP is working. Just take out an injector, turn the line and injector around and turn the engine over, if fuel comes out (a small mist) then it's probably doing it's job. Even just loosening the injector lines you should be able to see litle sprits of fuel coming out around the loose fitting.
There are only two possiblilities no fuel or no compression that's it.
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Cool I'm Exhausted!

LOL. it's the exhaust! blocked catalytic converter (and yes, I did suggest he look at this when I talked to him this morning ).

he got it started and is charging me $622.75 for parts and labor, but did not fix the actual problem. He replaced the lift pump and a blocked injector ( BTW, they did test the injectors). they spent a total of 7 hours on the car. He also repaired a leaky oil pan (another story) and replaced the oil. I'm not sure if I'm being raped or not. I know they had a hard time with it and did put a lot of time into it, so I guess that's worth something.

he told me that a factory cat would cost over $300 and I'd be better off going to Midas or something. Well, I call Midas and they're like "we don't even have that model car in our computer" LOL. this gets better and better. At least now I know what it is. when I have a chance I'm going to search the forum to see what my options are. I'm also going to look for cheap cat's on line. someone gave me a link earlier. I'll let you know what happens.

thanks so much to all of you for the great advice!!!

Just so I know, whould this have caused my power loss too or do I still need to worry about that?
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Old 10-18-2005, 06:40 PM
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Thumbs up how exhausting

he he he

I am glad to hear the problem was identified. It sounded very familiar to my associate’s symptoms.
That is a lot of money, but automotive troubleshooting can be trying and difficult, and while it does suck to be on the paying end of things, the time was spent on troubleshooting the car and replacing poorly functioning parts.

On the bright side, you'll be driving your baby again soon.
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Old 10-18-2005, 08:17 PM
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LOL. it's the exhaust! blocked catalytic converter (and yes, I did suggest he look at this when I talked to him this morning ).

he got it started and is charging me $622.75 for parts and labor, but did not fix the actual problem. He replaced the lift pump and a blocked injector ( BTW, they did test the injectors). they spent a total of 7 hours on the car. He also repaired a leaky oil pan (another story) and replaced the oil. I'm not sure if I'm being raped or not. I know they had a hard time with it and did put a lot of time into it, so I guess that's worth something.

he told me that a factory cat would cost over $300 and I'd be better off going to Midas or something. Well, I call Midas and they're like "we don't even have that model car in our computer" LOL. this gets better and better. At least now I know what it is. when I have a chance I'm going to search the forum to see what my options are. I'm also going to look for cheap cat's on line. someone gave me a link earlier. I'll let you know what happens.

thanks so much to all of you for the great advice!!!

Just so I know, whould this have caused my power loss too or do I still need to worry about that?
Beat me to it. I had suggested the catalyst, originally, in a previous thread with the exact same symptoms as your '87. I was right.(I wonder if it's still in the archives). Another one, bites the dust.
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Old 10-18-2005, 11:07 PM
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Running WVO you will pass any emissions test.

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LOL. it's the exhaust! blocked catalytic converter (and yes, I did suggest he look at this when I talked to him this morning ).
he told me that a factory cat would cost over $300 and I'd be better off going to Midas or something.
thanks so much to all of you for the great advice!!!

Just so I know, would this have caused my power loss too or do I still need to worry about that?
Gut the trap oxidizer and reinstall it.
Running WVO you will pass any emissions test.

Yes, that would cause power loss and failure to start.
I hope it did not hurt the turbo seal/bearing.
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I'm not sure what to think of you mechanic. It must be nice to gain experience at others expense.
Yes, This may be a bit harsh but, I used to be in the service industry myself and there's NO way I would have charged a customer for the "shotgun" approach of changing parts.
I believe I would have to discuss the $622 bill.
Perhaps he will include you on future MB repairs. You are entitled to a "cut" in my opinion.
Glad your running again. Good luck.
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If you are talking about the "center muffler" try Rusty's @$215. However, Fastlane may match the price.
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Old 10-19-2005, 12:38 AM
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emissions

Do you even have to pass emissions? My 300SD is registered in Illinois, so I have no inspections to pass. Straight pipe back from the manifold. Easing the backpressure on the turbo helps, and the turbo itself helps dampen combustion sounds. Sounds nice, runs nice, and The Man doesn't care.
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sorry to take so long to respond. I was super busy yesterday.

anyway, I got my car back. I dropped the catalytic converter and drilled a 2 inch hole through it. Put it back on and now I'm back in business. I would eventually like to get this replaced, but for now this is good enough.

I took the car out on the road. I have to admit that the pick up seems to be a little weak, but everything else is ok. I was able to climb steep hills with no problem. I got out on the highway and got going pretty fast with no problem. climbed a hill and was able to pass a truck with ease.

Like I said, the pick up seems a bit slow on the uptake. I'm a bit concerned. Pulling out into traffic or to pass is slow. Also, sometimes I get black smoke when I pull out and when I pass. I'm going to search the forum to look into these issues. I just wanted to give an update.

Thanks for everything!
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Old 10-20-2005, 12:25 PM
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Didn't anyone notice he said he used the mighty-vac on the ALDA....I certainly hope he used the pressure end of it and not the vacuum end of it....

vacuum on the ALDA will ruin it.....

which could explain the poor acceleration it now has.....

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