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Old 11-15-2005, 12:48 PM
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603 head full of carbon/soot/etc. should I clean it?

I have my intake off right now and I can clearly see that the head is gummed up real good with carbon, soot, and who knows what else. I doubt it's effecting the performance of the car and I think I will probably just knock crud into my cylinders if I try to clean it so I was thinking of just leaving it alone. Is that a good assessment or do I need to get this stuff out of the head?

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Old 11-15-2005, 01:12 PM
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Old 11-15-2005, 01:28 PM
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I have my intake off right now and I can clearly see that the head is gummed up real good with carbon, soot, and who knows what else. I doubt it's effecting the performance of the car and I think I will probably just knock crud into my cylinders if I try to clean it so I was thinking of just leaving it alone. Is that a good assessment or do I need to get this stuff out of the head?
Depends on how thick it is.....

thats why we disble the EGR for cough...cough..... test purposes. To prevent it from getting worse...cleaning it isn't easy...adn an Italian tune up will do nothing at all for this.
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Depends on how thick it is.....

thats why we disble the EGR for cough...cough..... test purposes. To prevent it from getting worse...cleaning it isn't easy...adn an Italian tune up will do nothing at all for this.
It's really thick, maybe 1/4". I read in some other posts that it doesn't have any effect on performance. I find that a little hard to believe, why would MB have made the intake holes larger than they needed to be? Any ideas on cleaning it out?
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:20 PM
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It's really thick, maybe 1/4". I read in some other posts that it doesn't have any effect on performance. I find that a little hard to believe, why would MB have made the intake holes larger than they needed to be? Any ideas on cleaning it out?
only way to clean it is by removing it....lost of solvent adn elbow grease....or maybe a shop with a solvent tank...you can't hot tank his like an engine block becasue its aluminum and the hot tank uses highly casutic cleaners that will eat aluminum.

I would say 1/4" is a fair amount...my W123 had somewhat less than that....I have heard of others with far more...

I doub't it will make a noticible difference but what harm will it do to clean it out? Assuming you do it correctly.

Bottle cleaner brushes (round brushes) are whats needed...
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cleaning the ports

To clean out the ports try using a shop vac with one of those long trumpet funnels.
Stick the hose in the large end of the funnel and it looks like an anteater, works like one too.
Also get a ¼ inch length of copper tubing flatten out the first few inches. Bend the flattened end at a 90 degree angle about 1/8 to 3/16. It looks like a small garden hoe. You might want to file a slight radius on the edge to contore to the port.
Scrape away while vacuuming. Works great!!!
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I left that crud alone I didn't want to risk something dropping into the cylinder or damaging a valve. Just block the egr clean out the manifold and that stuff will go away on its own.
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I have my intake off right now and I can clearly see that the head is gummed up real good with carbon, soot, and who knows what else. I doubt it's effecting the performance of the car and I think I will probably just knock crud into my cylinders if I try to clean it so I was thinking of just leaving it alone. Is that a good assessment or do I need to get this stuff out of the head?
Try adding a quart of cheap Tranny fluid to the crankcase just before the next oil cx. Run it in there for 15 minutes and change....It will help clean out alot of soot and blak color...
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Old 11-15-2005, 02:42 PM
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Try adding a quart of cheap Tranny fluid to the crankcase just before the next oil cx. Run it in there for 15 minutes and change....It will help clean out alot of soot and blak color...
can't see how that will do anything this is in the intake...its thicker than petrified axel grease...and real resistant to cleaning....al it sees is mist that gets past the oil seperator adn 1/4 of this stuff isn't going away on its own....

True I doubt it will help much....but I did go through th etrouble of swapping mine out for a clean pre-egr intake as I didn't have time to clean mine....and it was off already when I was putting in a block heater.
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To clean out the ports try using a shop vac with one of those long trumpet funnels.
Stick the hose in the large end of the funnel and it looks like an anteater, works like one too.
Also get a ¼ inch length of copper tubing flatten out the first few inches. Bend the flattened end at a 90 degree angle about 1/8 to 3/16. It looks like a small garden hoe. You might want to file a slight radius on the edge to contore to the port.
Scrape away while vacuuming. Works great!!!
I don't have the head off and I don't have a reason to remove it so I really like this idea. I have a feeling this car saw alot of short trips, it was owned by an old man and stored most of the time. I bet the catalytic converter is clogged damn near solid (diesel's have cat's right?).
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:38 PM
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i dont think so.. i didnt see one on my 85 when i looked under it. just a frign huge muffler
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Old 11-15-2005, 03:40 PM
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I bet the catalytic converter is clogged damn near solid (diesel's have cat's right?).
Nope, no catalytic converters on these diesels! You actually can't use cats when there is sulfur or lead in the fuel, and diesel has sulfur in it. With the upcoming Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel and Biodiesel fuel movements and regulations, manufacturers may start using cats, but for now, its just clear pipe.

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Old 11-15-2005, 05:07 PM
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Nope, no catalytic converters on these diesels! You actually can't use cats when there is sulfur or lead in the fuel, and diesel has sulfur in it. With the upcoming Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel and Biodiesel fuel movements and regulations, manufacturers may start using cats, but for now, its just clear pipe.

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Well I guess that's one more trick I won't be using to get the car moving a little faster, I was counting on having a clogged cat with lots of back pressure!

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