Installation Pics and Franz Oil Filter testimony - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

willrev · #1 03-16-2006, 06:10 AM

Talked to the owner of the FRANZ filter company yesterday. She emailed me all kinds of stuff. I know this has been a topic in other posts. I will try to post all the info and pictures she sent me.

Here is a testimonial from a diesel truck driver who has three of these filters in parallel:

Walmart Owner Operator; Charlie Williams.

This vehicle is a 1999 Peterbilt Truck with a 3406E Model Cat Engine. It had 850,000 miles on it when two Full Size Frantz Oil Filters were installed in TANDEM. This vehicle has about 44 quarts of petroleum oil in its system and the oil used is Mystic Oil 15/50W manufactured by SITCO.
When Charlie installed his two Frantz Oil Filters, he used the 1/4” hose (200 PSI 300 degrees F.) provided with our complete units. After about 105,000 miles of use, he changed to Steel Braid Line for the supply & return lines due to the increased running temperature of the vehicle oil. His pressure feed comes from the placement of an Adapter Ring between the engine block and Factory Spin on Filter. His oil is returned into Oil Filler Cap. With the use of the two Frantz Oil Filters, there has been NO EFFECT IN THE OIL PRESSURE.
Charlie drives between 3,500 to 4,000 miles per week. He has changed the two Frantz Filter Elements and added two quarts of new oil to the system each week of use. Charlie changed his oil at a 105,000 mile interval and has now gone 120,000 miles on his current oil.
In the past, Charlie would spend an average of $140.00 to $180.00 every 10,000 miles to change his oil. In addition, his truck would be down 1 to 2 hours each time to be serviced.
Since Charlie has been using the Frantz Bypass Filtration System on his Truck, he has SAVED well over $1,500.00 in his last 220,000 miles driven. Once a week, Charlie has spent about fifteen minutes to change out the two Frantz Filter Elements and to add two quarts of new oil to the system.
Charlie has been VERY PLEASED with the results and savings of using the Frantz Oil Filters on his “Big Rig”! He is getting ready to add a 3rd Frantz Oil Filter to the system in hopes of extending out his Filter Element changes to 7,500 to 10,000 miles. At We Filter It! Inc., we will continue to collect our data and have it available for viewing! Thank you for your time and consideration in the Frantz Bypass Filtration/OIL CLEANING SYSTEM!

Charlie Williams Owner-Operator Walmart Marietta, Oklahoma (817)313-8152

Sincerely,
Deborah Walker Harley
President
We Filter It! Inc.
Nampa, Idaho
208-467-3726

Diesel Fan · #2 03-16-2006, 09:41 AM

Testimony, not data.

I admit I don't know much about big rig diesels but I find it difficult to believe that anyone would change 44 qts of oil every 10K miles on an engine that is essentially running all the time. If ever there was a case for someone to be sampling and testing the oil, this is the case.

TX76513 · #3 03-16-2006, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diesel Fan

Testimony, not data.

I admit I don't know much about big rig diesels but I find it difficult to believe that anyone would change 44 qts of oil every 10K miles on an engine that is essentially running all the time. If ever there was a case for someone to be sampling and testing the oil, this is the case.

8 - 12 K is a standard service interval on heavy trucks.

willrev · #4 03-16-2006, 10:53 AM

I attatched the data from the same guy's oil analysis from Blackstone Labs.

See what you think. You guys know more about the data than I do. Never had an analysis done on my car.

In this you can see the modified oil filler cap with the fitting from AMSOIL. You just drill the cap and use that as your return.

Let me know what you experts think about the figures in the oil analysis.

sixto · #5 03-16-2006, 11:29 AM

Wouldn't a corporate of fleet endorsement be more compelling? Isn't the lack of a fleet endorsement disturbing?

Sixto

Matt SD300 · #6 03-16-2006, 11:38 AM

That frantz filter is going to make a HUGE MESS. Its housing has to be lifted off. Any oil that's in the filter is going to drain all over the engine!

Gulf Coast Or Motor Gaurd make much better TP Bypass filters..... (filter elements lift out)

Its also installed poorly. The oil return draining over the valve train is a bad idea. On my Cummins I installed my return drain in the front timing gear box. There's a big perk being installed this way, the oil is draining over the timing gears (no chain) making them VERY QUIET

Magnets used on the oil pan would lower the iron in the oil to almost nothing

sixto · #7 03-16-2006, 11:46 AM

Wouldn't a magnet or series of magnets in the filter make more sense? How much oil gets close enough to the drain bolt for the magnet to be effective?

But that's an interesting thought. I'll remember to put a magnet in the flow when I funnel used oil into recycling jugs too see how much iron there is in the typical fill at end of life.

Sixto

Matt SD300 · #8 03-16-2006, 12:00 PM

I use (6) 1 inch magnets on my oil pans. The problem with putting them on the oil filter is that the oil is really MOVING, and that makes it hard for the magnet to pick up the TINY ferrous pieces of metal out of the oil. Gravity pulls the metal to the botom of the oil pan making it easy to be picked up

aersloat · #9 03-16-2006, 12:30 PM

These guys are a good source for Neodymium-iron-boron magnets:

http://www.wondermagnet.com/main.shtml

I have used some of their products for architectural applications and it is pretty amazing how strong they are.

Pete Burton · #10 03-16-2006, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aersloat

These guys are a good source for Neodymium-iron-boron magnets:

http://www.wondermagnet.com/main.shtml

I have used some of their products for architectural applications and it is pretty amazing how strong they are.

hey, that's a pretty good link. My oil pans need some of those 3/4"dia x 1/8" thick magnets.

Mistel · #11 03-16-2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt SD300

I use (6) 1 inch magnets on my oil pans. The problem with putting them on the oil filter is that the oil is really MOVING, and that makes it hard for the magnet to pick up the TINY ferrous pieces of metal out of the oil. Gravity pulls the metal to the botom of the oil pan making it easy to be picked up

Matt

I like your idea. What do you then do with the magnets? Do you leave them on always or do you remove them when you change your oil to let the filings drain? I guess the best would be to drop the pan and clean it every so often.

What I did is I took a small round neodium magnet and put it on the end of the oil drain plug. The magnet is small enough that I can fit the socket over it and remove it and the plug without having to separate it and release all the filings

Peter

#12 03-16-2006, 03:50 PM

I want to see oil samples to back up that he can get away with changing the oil on that long of an interval...

Don't necessisarily doubt the "positives" but I just want to see some actual data...not "hey I changed my oil less often"

Matt SD300 · #13 03-16-2006, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon314159

I want to see oil samples to back up that he can get away with changing the oil on that long of an interval...

Don't necessisarily doubt the "positives" but I just want to see some actual data...not "hey I changed my oil less often"

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32223&d=1142524307

Matt SD300 · #14 03-16-2006, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mistel

Matt

I like your idea. What do you then do with the magnets? Do you leave them on always or do you remove them when you change your oil to let the filings drain? I guess the best would be to drop the pan and clean it every so often.

What I did is I took a small round neodium magnet and put it on the end of the oil drain plug. The magnet is small enough that I can fit the socket over it and remove it and the plug without having to separate it and release all the filings

Peter

Hi Peter,

When I change my oil, I pull ALL the magnets right next to the drain plug. Then I start draining the oil. While the oil is draining I pull off the magnets.
After the oil has drained I replace the magnets by the drain plug again & then move them back to there original position. That how I do it.

#15 03-16-2006, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt SD300

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=32223&d=1142524307

Excellent!