HELP!! 300D still doesn't turn over!!!

[Austin85]

Hi BC and all other diagnostic gurus!

New thread same problem. To recap; I changed out my spin on and filled it with ATF; primed pump; started up and it started up but stalled out right away; (2 days ago.)
I emptied the ATF and refilled with PS Cetane Boost, JIC; primed pump and no luck.
per advice; I bled injectors, with a nice fitted metric wrench, cut open my finger tip on a injector line for good luck; cranked till fuel seeps out of the injector nuts; retightened them, and she still won't start.

I am recharging my Interstate again right now. Any suggestions?
I've changed dozens of spin ons since I run on WVO blend and dealt with purging crud from my tank and lines but never had an issue like this one.
Only difference I notice is a slightly different odor when I crank it.

Any ideas!!???

[pawoSD]

Is the glow system working properly? Light on dash....dome light dims a bit when its on....etc? If so, and its getting fuel, then maybe its an injection problem or something else. Maybe the veg blend caused coking and a compression problem....if the exhaust smells like fuel then it could be a compression/glow issue. Seems odd that it'd not start with fuel & glow (if the glow is working), plus its so warm down there it should start with some cranking w/out glow plugs at all if its a healthy engine.

Our '83 can (cold) start with no glow plugs if its above 50-60degs out and you crank it about 8-10 seconds, extremely healthy....

[tangofox007]

Not to be picky about your terminology, but it sounds like your engines does "turn over." Not turning over is one thing; turning over but not starting is another.

Have you confirmed that your glow plugs are operating?

[JimmyL]

ALL your engine is doing is "turning over".......

[Austin85]

OK thanks for all the help...
cranks but won't start. Is that proper?

Injectors are fine glow plugs are fine. This engine starts always on simple turn of key everytime, until I tried starting with the spin on filled with ATF.

[84300DT]

how long are you cranking it ? only should be max 30 seconds then wait for the starter to cool before trying again.

[pawoSD]

I don't get why people fill the spin-on with ATF, diesel is probably a better choice.....its what I've always used, and it starts right up after a filter change.

Maybe this is the car saying "I use diesel or wvo, not tranny fluid, that belongs in the tranny"

[JimmyL]

Originally Posted by Austin85

cranks but won't start. Is that proper?

I don't know if it's proper, but it is correct......

With all the suggestions in this thread and the other one, it is shocking that it still won't start. I feel your pain, but don't have anything else technical to offer. I'll be watching, though...
Without reading back over the other thread, did you replace the new spin on filter that you filled with tranny fluid? Wouldn't seem to matter since you have fuel at injectors though. (cut finger and all)

[pawoSD]

Does the exhaust smell fuelish or part-burned when cranking? Or no smell at all? If its part burned but not starting it could be an injection or compression problem.

[Austin85]

Originally Posted by 84300DT

how long are you cranking it ? only should be max 30 seconds then wait for the starter to cool before trying again.

I crank it maybe 5 seconds. Usually it starts immeditaly , so this is 5X longer than usual.

Is there anything this small amount of ATF could have done to injectors or engine that is fouling it up ?????

[pawoSD]

Try cranking it longer than 5 seconds, after we did the Injectors on our '83 we had to crank about 13-14 seconds nonstop to get it to fire.

Segments of 15-20 seconds of cranking will give a better chance of it starting, as it will build more heat/compression and move more fuel around....

[84300DT]

Originally Posted by Austin85

I crank it maybe 5 seconds. Usually it starts immeditaly , so this is 5X longer than usual.

Is there anything this small amount of ATF could have done to injectors or engine that is fouling it up ?????

i think you need to run the starter longer...
don't forget you can keep running the starter even when 1 or 2 cylinders begin to fire..
don't use any pedal when you're cranking before cylinders start firing.

i don't think the atf is hurting anything.

Originally Posted by 84300DT

i think you need to run the starter longer...
don't forget you can keep running the starter even when 1 or 2 cylinders begin to fire..
don't use any pedal when you're cranking before cylinders start firing.

I agree, I've attached jumpers from a running car to maximize the voltage, let the glow plugs glow for 30 or 40 seconds, then cranked for 20 seconds without touching the throttle. Let the starter rest for a minute, then repeat. Eventually it will catch on a couple of cylinders, then the rest will pick up.

[Pete Burton]

When it first starts to kick, keep the key in the start position. That is, KEEP CRANKING and then apply just a tiny bit of petal IF NECESSARY to keep it running. The combustion chambers are probably soaked with ATF, so it will start hard and smoke. The starter will freewheel as the engine speeds up.

[dieselbeagel]

U have air in the fuel system.

U did not have the accel pedal to the floor or may have taken ur foot off the accel pedal once the car fired up.

After changing filters, always floor the accel pedal, start the car. After the car fires up, slowly release the accel to half depress before taking ur foot off the accel pedal.

What u need to do is

1) Floor the accel pedal
2) Crank until it fires up. No more than 45 secs cranking at a time. Let the starter cool for a few minutes before repeating.
3) Follow the procedure after starting.

Good Luck!