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MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 09:08 AM

Clarification requested : 617 motor - DI?
 
Could someone let me know if I'm correct in saying that the 617 motor uses Direct Injection? If not, which type? Thanks.

Matt L 05-26-2006 09:09 AM

It's indirectly injected, into prechambers.

Tabor 05-26-2006 11:18 AM

Also, a lot of us prefer the injection into pre-chambers. Mercedes did it to keep noise down. It has the added affects of preventing a nailing injector from burning a hole in a piston. Also, I think it reduces polymerization under some whacky WVO situations.

1983/300CD 05-26-2006 11:37 AM

Yes, it's great, it's rugged, all that. Direct injection is slightly more efficient, though.

MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 12:08 PM

I was asking so that the answer might aid the research I've been doing on the effects of WVO on these engines. I'm asumming that DI sprays the pattern directly into the CC, correct? While IDI sprays the pattern into the prechamber, which relays it into the CC. If this is true, it would explain the claim of DI being more efficient, for there is one less variable involved. Thank you, guys.

MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 12:18 PM

...and in that case, what does TDI stand for?

vstech 05-26-2006 12:20 PM

yeah, and also, DI has a better power curve.
 
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Originally Posted by MattBelliveau
I was asking so that the answer might aid the research I've been doing on the effects of WVO on these engines. I'm asumming that DI sprays the pattern directly into the CC, correct? While IDI sprays the pattern into the prechamber, which relays it into the CC. If this is true, it would explain the claim of DI being more efficient, for there is one less variable involved. Thank you, guys.

due mostly to the fact that the combustion can expand directly onto the piston. with PC combustion must flow through the PC tube or whatever orifice it uses to pass into the CC.
I do like the piston burn protection and ... "quiet" combustion? anyway.
John

MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 12:26 PM

piston burn protection...since the fuel is not sitting in the CC, right?

TheDon 05-26-2006 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MattBelliveau
...and in that case, what does TDI stand for?

Turbo Direct Injection i belive..

vstech 05-26-2006 12:35 PM

Well...
 
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Originally Posted by MattBelliveau
piston burn protection...since the fuel is not sitting in the CC, right?

More like since fuel is getting spread around by the PC ball. before getting to the CC. a nailing DI fuel squirt can put a lot of HOT fuel in one spot on the piston and cause meltdown...
John

MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 12:37 PM

Ahhh. TheDon, I checked out BHD's site this week. Pretty cool. ow long has that been up?

MattBelliveau 05-26-2006 12:43 PM

Quote:

Turbo Direct Injection i belive..
Does that refer to the fact that the engine is a turbo? If so, would my 300d be a TIDI?:silly:

TheDon 05-26-2006 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MattBelliveau
Does that refer to the fact that the engine is a turbo? If so, would my 300d be a TIDI?:silly:

according to wikipedia TDI is Turbo Direct Injection.. i guess i was right.. and TIDI i guess

Skippy 05-26-2006 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vstech
More like since fuel is getting spread around by the PC ball. before getting to the CC. a nailing DI fuel squirt can put a lot of HOT fuel in one spot on the piston and cause meltdown...
John

I actually had this happen on a C7 Cat once. Had it not been under warranty, things would have gotten real expensive real fast.


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