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Old 07-18-2007, 09:23 PM
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I could not understand why they were taking corn and going thru all the complexities of turning it into ethanol instead of just squeezing it into oil.
Corn oil is a byproduct of making ethanol with corn, so you could supply two kinds of fuel by making ethanol.

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Old 07-18-2007, 09:39 PM
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Corn oil is a byproduct of making ethanol with corn, so you could supply two kinds of fuel by making ethanol.
Then they could probably use what was left in animal feed, or Corn Pops, as if there is a difference.
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:42 PM
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So, you are admitting you do not research what you talk about.
And you have no personal experience using alternative fuels.
So you do not know what you are talking about.

And you say your time is too valuable to argue about these fuels, but you are always here arguing about them.

And no one is trying to make you use any fuel that you don't want to.

I am trying to get you stop badmouthing alternative fuels,
and trying to scare people away from them,
when obviously you have no experience with them at all.
I have done far more research than you can imagine and I have seen the good and ugly sides of it. It's for that reason that I will never let it near my tank.

I argue about them because I have seen what damage simple mistakes can do to a very expensive injection pump, especially by the fad following sheep that have no clue what they are doing (All Lovecraft costumers and one-tank "conversion" users are perfect examples.)

I'm trying to persuade people to not abuse their engines by running some used fryer junk through it because they think it's it's good for the environment, try to pinch some pennies, or think it will somehow stop "terrorism". There are too many of these cars being thrown away every day because people get tired of messing with nasty used oil or simply get bored with it and move on to the next fad that attracts their attention. I'd rather see somebody buy a W123 and enjoy the heck out of it for a decade rather than buy it simply to follow a fad.

I will always badmouth homemade fuels. Not only is it very easy to make a bad batch and damage the engine, but it's also illegal to use unless you pay the required road taxes on the fuel you use. Not that I give a rat's butt about the EPA, but it's also illegal to use SVO/WVO/homemade biodiesel because it's not approved by the EPA. There are not many government taxes I support, but road tax on fuel is one I wholeheartedly support. The only biofuels I will actively support is production B2-B100 biodiesel made to high quality standards from virgin stock.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:17 PM
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as a tree hugging earth worshipper, my thoughts have evolved with my perspective, as hopefully others do consciously likewise.
through the present time, feel that current culture forgets the important teachings of past, which is an unfortunate event.

in getting back to the roots, there has been a few things learned..
1) lovecraft sucks, and gives veg conversions the same reputation GM did for diesels.
2) small batch biodiesel production is difficult to achieve successfully, consistently.

like anything in existence, when utilized properly, you receive proper results.
wvo is worse for the engine than svo due to the increased acidity from the cooking process,
but until we see biodiesel available like we see 10% ethanol, will continue to utilize my one tank/5micron/170F system.

otherwise, refuting biofuels is like refuting petroleum's impact on global warming..how do you refute proven science?
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:28 PM
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global warming..how do you refute proven science?
Ok, now hold on there. "Global Warming" is not proven science, it's not even a consistent theory.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:34 PM
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Ok, now hold on there. "Global Warming" is not proven science, it's not even a consistent theory.
That's inaccurate. Global warming is proven. Man's contribution is the hot button debate. No scientist disagrees with the fact that the earth is warmer than it was 200 years ago.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:43 PM
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refuting biofuels is like refuting petroleum's impact on global warming..how do you refute proven science?
Start here:

http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-Environmentalism/dp/1596985011
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There are too many of these cars being thrown away every day because people get tired of messing with nasty used oil or simply get bored with it and move on to the next fad that attracts their attention. I'd rather see somebody buy a W123 and enjoy the heck out of it for a decade rather than buy it simply to follow a fad.
Well, I'm not into making my own fuel, I'm far to lazy for that. But you are wrong here....I'm seeing a LOT of old Benz's that would have been parted out or junked getting fixed up and put back on the road by people wanting an afordable platform for WVO. I own a coffee house on a college campus...we have a group of these folk who meet at our place.

More people saving as opposed to junking these cars means more companies will keep making parts..and I can keep mine on the road longer. So long live the fad.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:11 PM
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No scientist disagrees with the fact that the earth is warmer than it was 200 years ago.
That is a straight out lie, there are a huge number of scientists that don't follow the global warming political agenda.

Repeat after me: Consensus doesn't prove anything, in science or anywhere else.

Global warming isn't a fact. We don't even have a drop in the bucket of earths weather history. Forecasters can't even correctly predict next weeks weather, how can anyone honestly believe we can predict the long term future of our climate?



The weather is full of peaks and valleys. What were are experiencing is called a cycle, the odds are very likely that eventually it will lead to a cooling trend and another warming trend.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:15 PM
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sorry to get technical..

global warming=Global average air temperature near the Earth's surface rose 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the past century.

Burning oil (created from stored carbons millions of years ago) releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, which contributes to global warming.

(wikipedia needs a footnote itself these days, but other resources will say the same thing)
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:20 PM
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actually totally agree with your last post forced..climatology is cyclical. yet we have little true concept of these cycles overall.
there is no way we can say how the planet will ultimately react, but we can definitively say that humans have had an impact.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:25 PM
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Guys, all this history is interesting, but it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. A thermodynamic diesel cycle works regardless of the energy source, just like any other thermodynamic cycle (BTW, modern diesel engines are closer to something called the Air-Standard Duel Cycle which is a little more complex than a diesel cycle, but that's another discussion). Any fuel with a relatively slow combustion speed could be used (it has to be slow because the cycle is based on a power stroke that occurs at a (approximately) constant pressure). The thermodynamics will work with lots of different fuels, maybe even a few you haven't tried yet. In other words, the thermodynamic cycle is dependent only on the thermodynamic properties, not the physical properties of the fuel.

Once you introduce real hardware, things become more difficult. All the potential issues associated with "alternate fuels" have to do with their physical properties.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:29 PM
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Wow, the earths temperature has risen by an astonishing 1°F, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!

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actually totally agree with your last post forced..climatology is cyclical. yet we have little true concept of these cycles overall.
there is no way we can say how the planet will ultimately react, but we can definitively say that humans have had an impact.
I agree that we have made some sort of impact, at least a tiny bit. But you must think on a global scale. The earth is HUGE. Gore makes people think that 30b tons of CO2 is a huge amount. The entire atmosphere contains about 5,000 trillion metric tons of air (since we are quoting Wiki now). 30b tons is nothing.

Here is a little bit of misc. trivia: There are more atoms in a thimbleful of water than there are thimblefuls of water in the oceans.

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who was referencing the apocolypse? not here. all the interpretation of the figures are ultimately subjective.
though after we see a more measurable impact on earth (in sea levels, rainfall, etc.), one can resonably predict we will see less skeptics.
note: dig the misc trivia, def going to use that in class..and give you huge creds for at least acknowledging we have had an impact at all.

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Old 07-19-2007, 01:21 AM
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Of Mice and Men, And Lemmings and Sheep !!

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I have done far more research than you can imagine and I have seen the good and ugly sides of it. It's for that reason that I will never let it near my tank.
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OK, lets see some of your research, the good or the ugly.
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I argue about them because I have seen what damage simple mistakes can do to a very expensive injection pump, especially by the fad following sheep that have no clue what they are doing (All Lovecraft costumers and one-tank "conversion" users are perfect examples.)
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Again, let us see the damage, any proof of damage at all.
I really want to see proof.
That is one way I learn, from mistakes.

And dude !!! Calling me a fad following sheep is like calling Gandhi and atheist.
Besides, it is lemmings that are known to follow each other off a cliff not sheep. Get your metaphors straight.

Next time you are waiting in line at the fuel station remember you are the one that called me a lemming/sheep.
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I'm trying to persuade people to not abuse their engines by running some used fryer junk through it because they think it's it's good for the environment, try to pinch some pennies, or think it will somehow stop "terrorism". There are too many of these cars being thrown away every day because people get tired of messing with nasty used oil or simply get bored with it and move on to the next fad that attracts their attention. I'd rather see somebody buy a W123 and enjoy the heck out of it for a decade rather than buy it simply to follow a fad.
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I bought my Mercedes on eBay for $810.
It had been under a tarp in a yard for over two years.
No windshield, screwed up suspension, and other problems.
I fixed it up, and got it back on the road.

I think more cars are destroyed/abused by people putting on performance items like inter-coolers, and water/methanol injection so they can drive fast.

I think way more cars are destroyed by speeding and reckless driving than alternative fuels.
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I will always badmouth homemade fuels. Not only is it very easy to make a bad batch and damage the engine, but it's also illegal to use unless you pay the required road taxes on the fuel you use. Not that I give a rat's butt about the EPA, but it's also illegal to use SVO/WVO/homemade biodiesel because it's not approved by the EPA. There are not many government taxes I support, but road tax on fuel is one I wholeheartedly support. The only biofuels I will actively support is production B2-B100 biodiesel made to high quality standards from virgin stock.
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Where do you think new things come from ?
Where do you think biofuels came from ?

From people like me, who keep trying new things !
And come up with new stuff !

From people who do not lead, or follow, but try to find their own path.

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Thank You
Until next time I bid you peace and happiness.
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